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| My husband is a hunter, my son is a hunter, but I have no sympathy for the dentist who killled this lion. Tying a dead animal to the back of a vehicle to lure the lion from the protection of the park is lazy and disgusting, a lion that is use to being observed from a vehicle. That is not the sport of hunting, that is just lazy killing. He just gave all legitimate hunters another layer of bad press. I do not believe that he did not participate in the luring of the lion, hunters want to experience every step of the kill, the only way he would not go with them to find a lion is because he knew what they were doing. This dentist also was fined for illegally killing a black bear in Wisconsin.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Yeah, this is just a sad story all the way around... No wonder people hate going to the dentist.. |
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Location: Georgia | I agree... I've been a hunter and a fisher my entire life. I learned from my father and grandfather. My husband is also a hunter. We love what most hunting and hunters stand for, but to kill an animal for show or as a trophy is disgusting. We hunt to kill and we eat what we kill. Everything we have every put a bullet or a bow in has went straight to the dinner table. We don't kill for the sport and I feel that when people go to these foreign places to hunt, they have no intention of that meat nourishing their bodies. Its a game and a trophy. Saddens me for their community. I know that lion was very respected. |
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Location: SE KS | Yes, the dentist killed the lion, however, I feel that his guides "set him up". The Guides are from the area they "should" have known that particular lion, especially if he's as popular has everyone claims!!!
Any ENDANGERED species should be off limits to hunt until the species has rebounded.
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| I have not made up my mind yet as to whether the dentist knew it was an illegal kill or not. I guess what will come to light. I have hunted deer in my life, and practically everyone of my family and friends hunt either deer, ducks, rabits, squirrels, or doves. I live in "Sportsmans Paradise". Now, the hunters I know eat what they kill, and are respectful fo the environment. I personally dont believe in hunting specifically for trophies. I dont see the sense in killing lions, giraffes, elephants, bears, and so on. Now everyone is mad at the American who came and poached a lion. He could not have secured this hunt had it not been avaliable to him. Maybe Africa will tighten their regulations. |
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| lhighquality - 2015-07-30 8:35 AM
Yes, the dentist killed the lion, however, I feel that his guides "set him up". The Guides are from the area they "should" have known that particular lion, especially if he's as popular has everyone claims!!!
Any ENDANGERED species should be off limits to hunt until the species has rebounded.
Did the guides get fined too? I think they have a bigger responsibility than the dentist did, they are paid to tell people what they can/cannot do or kill.
I'm pretty sure that they use the funds to help continue to preserve the species. They also have to maintain the population so that it can successfully grow without mutations.
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| scwebster - 2015-07-30 9:06 AM
I have not made up my mind yet as to whether the dentist knew it was an illegal kill or not. I guess what will come to light. I have hunted deer in my life, and practically everyone of my family and friends hunt either deer, ducks, rabits, squirrels, or doves. I live in "Sportsmans Paradise". Now, the hunters I know eat what they kill, and are respectful fo the environment. I personally dont believe in hunting specifically for trophies. I dont see the sense in killing lions, giraffes, elephants, bears, and so on. Now everyone is mad at the American who came and poached a lion. He could not have secured this hunt had it not been avaliable to him. Maybe Africa will tighten their regulations.
We eat the bears we kill...... |
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Location: The edge of no where | FlyingJT - 2015-07-30 9:10 AM lhighquality - 2015-07-30 8:35 AM Yes, the dentist killed the lion, however, I feel that his guides "set him up". The Guides are from the area they "should" have known that particular lion, especially if he's as popular has everyone claims!!! Any ENDANGERED species should be off limits to hunt until the species has rebounded. Did the guides get fined too? I think they have a bigger responsibility than the dentist did, they are paid to tell people what they can/cannot do or kill. I'm pretty sure that they use the funds to help continue to preserve the species. They also have to maintain the population so that it can successfully grow without mutations.
From what I understand - the guides are facing criminal charges. |
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Location: SE KS | FlyingJT - 2015-07-30 9:10 AM
lhighquality - 2015-07-30 8:35 AM
Yes, the dentist killed the lion, however, I feel that his guides "set him up". The Guides are from the area they "should" have known that particular lion, especially if he's as popular has everyone claims!!!
Any ENDANGERED species should be off limits to hunt until the species has rebounded.
Did the guides get fined too? I think they have a bigger responsibility than the dentist did, they are paid to tell people what they can/cannot do or kill.
I'm pretty sure that they use the funds to help continue to preserve the species. They also have to maintain the population so that it can successfully grow without mutations.
Yes, an article I read this morning says the 2 guides have been suspended & arrested!!! |
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Location: sunny california | my neighbors are hunters, they eat the meat. Not sure they could afford to buy with todays prices. my problem with killing the lion is; they are not killing to survive. I really do not not like hunting for strictly the sport of it. |
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| The guides have been arrested and are out on bail. We may never know if the dentist knew but I tend to think for 50k you scout and pick the lion you want. Also the fact that they tried to destroy his GPS collar instead of going to the authorities "when he discovered it had a collar" is a guilty act. It could have just been a reaction or it could be he didn't care, he got his trophy. |
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| Klittle3 - 2015-07-30 6:08 AM
I agree... I've been a hunter and a fisher my entire life. I learned from my father and grandfather. My husband is also a hunter. We love what most hunting and hunters stand for, but to kill an animal for show or as a trophy is disgusting. We hunt to kill and we eat what we kill. Everything we have every put a bullet or a bow in has went straight to the dinner table. We don't kill for the sport and I feel that when people go to these foreign places to hunt, they have no intention of that meat nourishing their bodies. Its a game and a trophy. Saddens me for their community. I know that lion was very respected.
 Us too. We hunt and eat what we kill. There is absolutely NO reason to kill a lion or other "big game" animal unless it is attacking you, IMO. And a canned hunt like that isn't even a challenge, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Where is the challenge in that? Just because you have $50k and a bigger ego you want to shoot a FRIENDLY lion? Lame. Man card revoked as far as I'm concerned. I hope he rots in prison somewhere and gets all his trophies confiscated. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-30 9:21 AM The guides have been arrested and are out on bail. We may never know if the dentist knew but I tend to think for 50k you scout and pick the lion you want. Also the fact that they tried to destroy his GPS collar instead of going to the authorities "when he discovered it had a collar" is a guilty act. It could have just been a reaction or it could be he didn't care, he got his trophy. This isn't his FIRST time to kill outside of a regulated area.....He was prosecuted for killing a black bear illegally in WI a few years ago....
eta: I loved what Jimmie Kimmel said last night........
Count Kimmel among the outraged and he used his late-night show to condemn the dentist, asking “is it that difficult for you to get an erection that you need to kill things that are stronger than you?” The comedian was so upset, he even teared up as he called on people to make donations to the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at Oxford, saying he wanted to turn the story into a “positive” one.
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| Yes...I'm sure an avid hunter had NO IDEA anything was wrong when they lured the lion out of the game park with a carcass in the back of a truck so he could shoot it. I'm equally sure Ty Murray had NO IDEA bull dogging an elk from the back of a snow mobile was wrong all those years ago too. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-07-30 9:10 AM scwebster - 2015-07-30 9:06 AM I have not made up my mind yet as to whether the dentist knew it was an illegal kill or not. I guess what will come to light. I have hunted deer in my life, and practically everyone of my family and friends hunt either deer, ducks, rabits, squirrels, or doves. I live in "Sportsmans Paradise". Now, the hunters I know eat what they kill, and are respectful fo the environment. I personally dont believe in hunting specifically for trophies. I dont see the sense in killing lions, giraffes, elephants, bears, and so on. Now everyone is mad at the American who came and poached a lion. He could not have secured this hunt had it not been avaliable to him. Maybe Africa will tighten their regulations. We eat the bears we kill......
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Location: East Texas | I totally agree that it was wrong and there should be some consequences for his actions... BUT, don't you wish that all the people that are so outraged about this lion would get that outraged about the aborted babies they are selling off! Wow... just imagine!!! |
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| horsesinharleton - 2015-07-30 9:08 AM
I totally agree that it was wrong and there should be some consequences for his actions... BUT, don't you wish that all the people that are so outraged about this lion would get that outraged about the aborted babies they are selling off! Wow... just imagine!!!
It really does show how twisted and desensatized the general public has become. |
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| horsesinharleton - 2015-07-30 10:08 AM I totally agree that it was wrong and there should be some consequences for his actions... BUT, don't you wish that all the people that are so outraged about this lion would get that outraged about the aborted babies they are selling off! Wow... just imagine!!!
I agree!! If PP were harvesting puppy organs for research the internet would crash and burn. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | horsesinharleton - 2015-07-30 10:08 AM
I totally agree that it was wrong and there should be some consequences for his actions... BUT, don't you wish that all the people that are so outraged about this lion would get that outraged about the aborted babies they are selling off! Wow... just imagine!!!
I was just WAITING for this. I knew it was coming..... |
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Location: Texas | SKM - 2015-07-30 10:04 AM Yes...I'm sure an avid hunter had NO IDEA anything was wrong when they lured the lion out of the game park with a carcass in the back of a truck so he could shoot it. I'm equally sure Ty Murray had NO IDEA bull dogging an elk from the back of a snow mobile was wrong all those years ago too.
You know every thread like this makes me wonder how big the rock is that I live under. I'm always going "What!? Why didn't I know about that?" |
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