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| Anyone heard or tried this feed Equidyne Complete?? Just interested in yalls opinions.
Equidyne
Equidyne Complete (High Octane)
Horse Pellets For Maintenance And Training Of Mature Horses.
This product is formulated for horses at hard work or being fitted for show. The roughage portion of Equidyne is identical to Estrella Brand, and cracked corn (15%) and a complete vitamin-mineral package have been added. Grain content remains low enough to minimize chances of founder and other metabolic disorders. To fuel performance horses or bring halter horses to absolute peak condition, additional grain may be supplemented.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (Min).......................................................12%
Crude Fat (Min)..........................................................0.75%
Crude Fiber (Max).........................................................25%
Ash (Max)......................................................................13%
Calcium (Min)...............................................................0.8%
Calcium (Max)..............................................................1.7%
Phosphorus (Min).......................................................0.18%
Phosphorus (Max)........................................................0.5%
Copper (Min)............................................................ 15 ppm
Selenium (Min).........................................................0.2 ppm
Zinc (Min)..................................................................45 ppm
Vitamin A (Min)......................................................300 IU/LB
Ingredients:
Alfalfa hay, cracked corn, cane molasses, phosphoric acid (feed grade), zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, cobalt carbonate, sodium selenite, potassium iodide, vitamin D3 supplement, d-calcium pantohtenate, vitamin E supplement, vitamin A acetate, choline chloride, vitamin Bl2 supplement, riboflavin supplement, thiamin mononitrate, niacin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid and d-biotin.
Feeding Instructions:
Equidyne Complete Horse Pellets are formulated for mature horses. Feed at a rate of 1.5 to 2% of body weight per day depending on body condition and work intensity. For example, a 1000 lb horse would receive 20 lb of Equidyne Complete Horse Pellets per day. It is recommended to divide the total daily intake (i.e. 20 lb) into a mininum of two (2) equal feedings (10 lb in the a.m. and 10 lb in the p.m.). In addition, all horses should have free choice salt and water.
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| Second ingredient is corn. Third is molasses. Noooo way! | |
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| If it is the white sack with blue writing my horses wouldn't eat it and they are huge alfalfa and corn nuts. | |
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| I have heard negative things about this feed. My friends barrel horse that had uclers, had even worse uclers after feeding this. I think it is due to the high levels of molasses.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Check out all the feed threads on this forum. Lots of info about processed feeds. My horses get alfala cubes, timothy grass cubes, free choice hay and a few supplements along with free choice mineral.... I'll never buy processed junk ever again.
To answer your question, no. I would not feed this feed. Expecially with Molasses in it. And also because I can't pronounce a few of the ingredients.... LOL
Edited by IRunOnFaith 2015-10-26 5:45 PM
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Location: Willows, CA | This is a good chance to compare the ingredient list with the analysis to see what is really in this feed. If the corn is 15% as stated, and alfalfa is the first ingredient then the fat level should be higher. Perhaps there is a misprint here. Since the phos source is that high on the ingredient list and that low as to the guarantee, you can read this and all else that follows as just part of a commercial premix added at a few pounds per ton. So, what this product is in the end is a alfalfa pellet with corn added and some molasses to bind it. I am not sure why you would not just feed alfalfa and your feed of choice and eliminate a 15% corn inclusion. | |
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Location: West Texas | winwillows - 2015-10-27 10:03 AM
This is a good chance to compare the ingredient list with the analysis to see what is really in this feed. If the corn is 15% as stated, and alfalfa is the first ingredient then the fat level should be higher. Perhaps there is a misprint here. Since the phos source is that high on the ingredient list and that low as to the guarantee, you can read this and all else that follows as just part of a commercial premix added at a few pounds per ton. So, what this product is in the end is a alfalfa pellet with corn added and some molasses to bind it. I am not sure why you would not just feed alfalfa and your feed of choice and eliminate a 15% corn inclusion.
Win, the fat stated above is incorrect. Equidyne has a 2% fat on their website. I agree with your assessment of what the product is: Alfalfa meal, corn, molasses binder, a preservative, and a mineral package. I know a lot of people that have fed or are feeding this. Some love it, some didn't. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2015-10-27 11:39 AM
winwillows - 2015-10-27 10:03 AM
This is a good chance to compare the ingredient list with the analysis to see what is really in this feed. If the corn is 15% as stated, and alfalfa is the first ingredient then the fat level should be higher. Perhaps there is a misprint here. Since the phos source is that high on the ingredient list and that low as to the guarantee, you can read this and all else that follows as just part of a commercial premix added at a few pounds per ton. So, what this product is in the end is a alfalfa pellet with corn added and some molasses to bind it. I am not sure why you would not just feed alfalfa and your feed of choice and eliminate a 15% corn inclusion.
Win, the fat stated above is incorrect. Equidyne has a 2% fat on their website. I agree with your assessment of what the product is: Alfalfa meal, corn, molasses binder, a preservative, and a mineral package. I know a lot of people that have fed or are feeding this. Some love it, some didn't.
Yes, I figured that the fat level was a mistake. A full feeding recommendation would put three pounds of corn into the horse. Since I NEVER feed corn to a horse, this would keep me away from this product anyway. There are just so many potential issues with corn that I can't go there. I know that statement will generate the " I fed corn for thirty years with no problems" comments, but it only takes one feeding of Moldy Corn Poisoning, high aflatoxin level, or colic to make all of that irrelevant. Since we only make non-gmo products, we could never use corn in our programs anyway. It is simply safer to use energy sources other than corn in a horses diet. I like the Omnis cube concept that you are promoting. If you were adding corn instead of oats I would be making the same statement that I made here about that product. If you were adding RG to the cube it would be darn near perfect.
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Location: Kansas | the fat content is .75%....forget that. For it supposedly "High Octane" I would think there needs to be more fat than that! | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | winwillows - 2015-10-27 12:11 PM Tdove - 2015-10-27 11:39 AM winwillows - 2015-10-27 10:03 AM This is a good chance to compare the ingredient list with the analysis to see what is really in this feed. If the corn is 15% as stated, and alfalfa is the first ingredient then the fat level should be higher. Perhaps there is a misprint here. Since the phos source is that high on the ingredient list and that low as to the guarantee, you can read this and all else that follows as just part of a commercial premix added at a few pounds per ton. So, what this product is in the end is a alfalfa pellet with corn added and some molasses to bind it. I am not sure why you would not just feed alfalfa and your feed of choice and eliminate a 15% corn inclusion. Win, the fat stated above is incorrect. Equidyne has a 2% fat on their website. I agree with your assessment of what the product is: Alfalfa meal, corn, molasses binder, a preservative, and a mineral package. I know a lot of people that have fed or are feeding this. Some love it, some didn't. Yes, I figured that the fat level was a mistake. A full feeding recommendation would put three pounds of corn into the horse. Since I NEVER feed corn to a horse, this would keep me away from this product anyway. There are just so many potential issues with corn that I can't go there. I know that statement will generate the " I fed corn for thirty years with no problems" comments, but it only takes one feeding of Moldy Corn Poisoning, high aflatoxin level, or colic to make all of that irrelevant. Since we only make non-gmo products, we could never use corn in our programs anyway. It is simply safer to use energy sources other than corn in a horses diet. I like the Omnis cube concept that you are promoting. If you were adding corn instead of oats I would be making the same statement that I made here about that product. If you were adding RG to the cube it would be darn near perfect.
In your opinion, why is RG necessary with an Omnis cube diet? I haven't found the need to add anything at all to mine. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Well, since you asked, there are significant benefits to Renew Gold over oats. The advantages of a coconut inclusion in the stomach and small intestine is one, both from an inflammation and ulcer point. A better Omega 3 to 6 ratio over oats is another. There are more calories per pound in Renew Gold. A prebiotic is a benefit. Vitamin levels are much higher, especially Vitamin E complexes. There is a higher natural vegetable fat level, and much lower NSC, especially when you consider how much oats you must feed to match the digestible energy. All that being said, I have nothing against oats when fed at a rate that does not overwhelm the system. The inclusion in Omnis fits into the safe zone there. I really like the Omnis concept, and would not recommend that anyone should quit feeding them. My comment was that it would benefit from having a Renew Gold inclusion in the cubes in place of the oats that are added to the cube. It was meant more as a joke than anything else. We do have customers that are feeding Renew Gold with Omnis and loving the combination where more safe energy is a benefit, but that was not what I meant, or necessarily was promoting. Most of our customers are feeding Renew Gold with hay, not cubes. But then, the vast majority of the horse owners fall into the hay rather than cubes category. Room for everyone if the feeding program is safe. And both ways are. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | winwillows - 2015-10-27 12:47 PM Well, since you asked, there are significant benefits to Renew Gold over oats. The advantages of a coconut inclusion in the stomach and small intestine is one, both from an inflammation and ulcer point. A better Omega 3 to 6 ratio over oats is another. There are more calories per pound in Renew Gold. A prebiotic is a benefit. Vitamin levels are much higher, especially Vitamin E complexes. There is a higher natural vegetable fat level, and much lower NSC, especially when you consider how much oats you must feed to match the digestible energy. All that being said, I have nothing against oats when fed at a rate that does not overwhelm the system. The inclusion in Omnis fits into the safe zone there. I really like the Omnis concept, and would not recommend that anyone should quit feeding them. My comment was that it would benefit from having a Renew Gold inclusion in the cubes in place of the oats that are added to the cube. It was meant more as a joke than anything else. We do have customers that are feeding Renew Gold with Omnis and loving the combination where more safe energy is a benefit, but that was not what I meant, or necessarily was promoting. Most of our customers are feeding Renew Gold with hay, not cubes. But then, the vast majority of the horse owners fall into the hay rather than cubes category. Room for everyone if the feeding program is safe. And both ways are.
Not to derail the conversations, but you are forgetting the flax seed that is also included in Omnis.
Given all of the information that you have provided, I did not see the results that I desired when my horses were on RG and hay. The changes were almost immediate when I made the switch to Omnis. I realize that it works great for some, that was simply not my experience. It's nice to have multiple options to safely feed our horses. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Not forgetting the Flax, my comment was in reference to oats. I agree that there is more than one good way, and even more bad ones. There is usually a reason, often hard to pin point, for any one program to not meet expectations for one person when they do for so many others. In your case it was most likely regional roughage quality that the Renew Gold could only support so far. You made a good choice to move on to a cube where the basic roughage was superior to what was available to you in the form of long hay. Since there is nothing magic about oats and flax on their own, I would guess that the combination of those, and clearly superior roughage that the Omnis are made from has resulted in the improvements that you were looking for. There is a very significant difference between oats and Renew Gold in the digestive system when all road blocks are out of the way. That was simply my point. I am glad you found a program that works so well with your horses. As I said, I really like the Omnis concept. They have a very good application in your area where hay quality and pasture may be in question. Using a cube of superior roughage quality over local coastal Bermuda, even with some alfalfa added can certainly make a difference, whether there is additional oats and flax in it or not. The addition of those ingredients though just makes it a better product. Could it benefit farther from Renew Gold rather than oats in the cube? That is not an option, but if it were, my opinion would be yes strictly from a digestive efficiency point of view. However, I readily admit a bias where proper overall nutrition is concerned. It was just an offhand comment to make that statement, not a condemnation of a very good feeding option in your market area. | |
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