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| Greg Stanley, who runs the Bastrop, Louisiana kill pen posted this video as a result of two women who were attempting to get the race tracks of South Louisiana to adopt a "no kill" policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZ8daqyTj0&feature=youtu.be
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| I couldn't follow what he was saying.... he's going to ship them all off to slaughter just to spite those two lady's.... sounds like a winner! |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 11:57 AM I couldn't follow what he was saying.... he's going to ship them all off to slaughter just to spite those two lady's.... sounds like a winner!
I agree, makes no sense. Breeding for the track does create lots of throw away horses, one of the darker sides to the industry. Why let these 2 ladies dictate how you handle those who come through your barn, seems he is just proving their point. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 11:57 AM I couldn't follow what he was saying.... he's going to ship them all off to slaughter just to spite those two lady's.... sounds like a winner! Yes its hard to understand his words, but in essesence..yes just for spite..and to cause everyone to lash out at the two women IMO. This guy and his brother are at the forefront of exportation to Mexico. He has trucks all over. He and his brother make a living soely on horses. I cant hate the guy for making a living, but his attempt at emotional blackmale is pretty shallow. ..and I dont believe for a minuet he cares about feeding people in Mexico. The ONLY reason he advertises horses to be purchased out of the pen is because he can make more than meat price on them.
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Location: Kansas | scwebster - 2015-08-21 12:10 PM FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 11:57 AM I couldn't follow what he was saying.... he's going to ship them all off to slaughter just to spite those two lady's.... sounds like a winner! Yes its hard to understand his words, but in essesence..yes just for spite..and to cause everyone to lash out at the two women IMO. This guy and his brother are at the forefront of exportation to Mexico. He has trucks all over. He and his brother make a living soely on horses. I cant hate the guy for making a living, but his attempt at emotional blackmale is pretty shallow. ..and I dont believe for a minuet he cares about feeding people in Mexico. The ONLY reason he advertises horses to be purchased out of the pen is because he can make more than meat price on them.
duh....that's why most of these kill buyers are doing this...... |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-08-21 12:33 PM scwebster - 2015-08-21 12:10 PM FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 11:57 AM I couldn't follow what he was saying.... he's going to ship them all off to slaughter just to spite those two lady's.... sounds like a winner! Yes its hard to understand his words, but in essesence..yes just for spite..and to cause everyone to lash out at the two women IMO. This guy and his brother are at the forefront of exportation to Mexico. He has trucks all over. He and his brother make a living soely on horses. I cant hate the guy for making a living, but his attempt at emotional blackmale is pretty shallow. ..and I dont believe for a minuet he cares about feeding people in Mexico. The ONLY reason he advertises horses to be purchased out of the pen is because he can make more than meat price on them.
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Location: The edge of no where | I understand the need for slaughter, I really do.....but I will never believe anyone that truly loves horses is involved in the industry. They're in it only for profit and this guy is a POS. |
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| MS2011 - 2015-08-21 12:45 PM
I understand the need for slaughter, I really do.....but I will never believe anyone that truly loves horses is involved in the industry. They're in it only for profit and this guy is a POS.
Agreed.... there is a special place in hell for people like them. |
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| MS2011 - 2015-08-21 12:45 PM
I understand the need for slaughter, I really do.....but I will never believe anyone that truly loves horses is involved in the industry. They're in it only for profit and this guy is a POS.
I wouldn't necessary say he's a POS because that's how he chooses to make his living... unfortunately there has to be someone that does it. We all want to say we don't oppose slaughter and we will drop a horse off at the sale barn if we deem the horse unsafe, unsound, etc. but then it's not necessary right of us to then demonize the person that actually ships them to the slaughter house. As far as his video goes..... he won't follow through, he can make twice the amount of money selling those horses to the bleeding hearts than loading them on a truck, and I highly doubt he'll pass that up.... His attempt at public shaming, or what ever it was he was attempting, was a complete FAIL! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 1:05 PM MS2011 - 2015-08-21 12:45 PM I understand the need for slaughter, I really do.....but I will never believe anyone that truly loves horses is involved in the industry. They're in it only for profit and this guy is a POS. I wouldn't necessary say he's a POS because that's how he chooses to make his living... unfortunately there has to be someone that does it. We all want to say we don't oppose slaughter and we will drop a horse off at the sale barn if we deem the horse unsafe, unsound, etc. but then it's not necessary right of us to then demonize the person that actually ships them to the slaughter house. As far as his video goes..... he won't follow through, he can make twice the amount of money selling those horses to the bleeding hearts than loading them on a truck, and I highly doubt he'll pass that up.... His attempt at public shaming, or what ever it was he was attempting, was a complete FAIL!
From what I've heard, he's been doing really well selling his "kill pen" horses. No way is he actually going to stop.
BTW, I agree it's not fair to demonize people who do the hard things that most of us don't want to have to think about, but are necessary nonetheless. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | What was happening is when a tattoed TB ended up in the kill pen, if they seemed sound and sane, they would be marketed online to anyone wishing to buy them for more than killer price. Now of course it sucks that they ended up in the kill pen, sometimes just days after thier last race, but the opportunity existed for the kill buyer to make a little extra and for someone to get an OTT TB cheap that otherwise may not have the racing connections to buy one.
Due to some of the TBs ending up badly injured btween the track and the kill pen and the uproar that followed, some people ended up researching the connections of the TBs in the kill pen using thier tattoo numbers. There were lots of trainers and owners getting harrassed and the tracks made new rules that any trainer caught selling or giving away horses that ultimately ended up in the kill pen would lose thier stalls at the track. Now of course none of this actually solves the problem of what to do with the horse when the owner tells the trainer to "get rid of him", there still are unwanted horses coming off the track (mostly TB) all the time.
The man on the video is just stating that he has a nice, seemingly sound, TB that he can no longer market to the public because of the actions of a few people. A horse that may have been purchased by an individual that would have given the horse a second chance and of course made a little extra $$$$ for the kill buyer, will now get on the truck straight to Mexico. I don't think he was being spiteful at all, racing is expensive and when the horses career is over they have to go somewhere, now many will go straight to Mexico thanks to some well meaning but misguided individuals. There is not near the market for OTT TBs as there is for OTT QHs, many times the trainer is lucky to be able to give them away and of course when they are given away lots of them end up at the sale barn or kill pen.
We have a TB broodmare in the pasture that was given to us, I need to get a picture of her, she is gorgeous, sound and so very athletic. It is such a waste and so sad but these women really did nothing to help the horses in the end.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-21 1:23 PM FlyingJT - 2015-08-21 1:05 PM MS2011 - 2015-08-21 12:45 PM I understand the need for slaughter, I really do.....but I will never believe anyone that truly loves horses is involved in the industry. They're in it only for profit and this guy is a POS. I wouldn't necessary say he's a POS because that's how he chooses to make his living... unfortunately there has to be someone that does it. We all want to say we don't oppose slaughter and we will drop a horse off at the sale barn if we deem the horse unsafe, unsound, etc. but then it's not necessary right of us to then demonize the person that actually ships them to the slaughter house. As far as his video goes..... he won't follow through, he can make twice the amount of money selling those horses to the bleeding hearts than loading them on a truck, and I highly doubt he'll pass that up.... His attempt at public shaming, or what ever it was he was attempting, was a complete FAIL!
BTW, I agree it's not fair to demonize people who do the hard things that most of us don't want to have to think about, but are necessary nonetheless.
No, he won't stop but if they are tattooed I bet they will go straight to Mexico unless he has a private buyer that he can trust not to look up the tattoo and report the connections to racetrack management. |
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| Barnmom - 2015-08-21 1:27 PM
What was happening is when a tattoed TB ended up in the kill pen, if they seemed sound and sane, they would be marketed online to anyone wishing to buy them for more than killer price. Now of course it sucks that they ended up in the kill pen, sometimes just days after thier last race, but the opportunity existed for the kill buyer to make a little extra and for someone to get an OTT TB cheap that otherwise may not have the racing connections to buy one.
Due to some of the TBs ending up badly injured btween the track and the kill pen and the uproar that followed, some people ended up researching the connections of the TBs in the kill pen using thier tattoo numbers. There were lots of trainers and owners getting harrassed and the tracks made new rules that any trainer caught selling or giving away horses that ultimately ended up in the kill pen would lose thier stalls at the track. Now of course none of this actually solves the problem of what to do with the horse when the owner tells the trainer to "get rid of him", there still are unwanted horses coming off the track (mostly TB) all the time.
The man on the video is just stating that he has a nice, seemingly sound, TB that he can no longer market to the public because of the actions of a few people. A horse that may have been purchased by an individual that would have given the horse a second chance and of course made a little extra $$$$ for the kill buyer, will now get on the truck straight to Mexico. I don't think he was being spiteful at all, racing is expensive and when the horses career is over they have to go somewhere, now many will go straight to Mexico thanks to some well meaning but misguided individuals. There is not near the market for OTT TBs as there is for OTT QHs, many times the trainer is lucky to be able to give them away and of course when they are given away lots of them end up at the sale barn or kill pen.
We have a TB broodmare in the pasture that was given to us, I need to get a picture of her, she is gorgeous, sound and so very athletic. It is such a waste and so sad but these women really did nothing to help the horses in the end.
OK I get it what he's talking about now and understand his position a little better. |
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| I took it as he was ticked that the idividuals were trying to have a policy put in place that would slow down traffic to his facility. He clearly is upset in the video, and calls the idividuals by name stating "you did good girl". He also stated that he "would not" post OTTBs for sale by choice because of those individuals involvement. Not because he cant. I know people who know him personally. I feel he made this out of spite. To me, there would be no other reason to post it. I wouldnt have said anything about him otherwies, I guess I am just appauled at his attempt to cast a guilt trip on people/strong arm them. I mean, how mature does he sound (when you can actually understand him and between the constant use of the word "there"). I guess I feel like he could have made his point without acting the way he did.
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| I beleive other states have this in place also... I think Minnesota is one (I am ashamed I dont know). Where any OTTB caught in slaughter pens, their trainer or owner would be punished.
I think the video was immature and unprofessional. I already have a hard time with people who do this for a living but by making this video, you've proven to be as disgusting as I judged you to be. |
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Location: The edge of no where | scwebster - 2015-08-21 1:43 PM I took it as he was ticked that the idividuals were trying to have a policy put in place that would slow down traffic to his facility. He clearly is upset in the video, and calls the idividuals by name stating "you did good girl". He also stated that he "would not" post OTTBs for sale by choice because of those individuals involvement. Not because he cant. I know people who know him personally. I feel he made this out of spite. To me, there would be no other reason to post it. I wouldnt have said anything about him otherwies, I guess I am just appauled at his attempt to cast a guilt trip on people/strong arm them. I mean, how mature does he sound (when you can actually understand him and between the constant use of the word "there"). I guess I feel like he could have made his point without acting the way he did.
You said this far better than I did. I really do understand the need for slaughter, I just wish it were in the states so it could be regulated and done humanely. I'm not saying that everyone involved in the industry is a POS, but I will stand behind my statement that no one that can own/run a kill pen is really a horse lover. |
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Location: Northern CA | Barnmom - 2015-08-21 11:27 AM What was happening is when a tattoed TB ended up in the kill pen, if they seemed sound and sane, they would be marketed online to anyone wishing to buy them for more than killer price. Now of course it sucks that they ended up in the kill pen, sometimes just days after thier last race, but the opportunity existed for the kill buyer to make a little extra and for someone to get an OTT TB cheap that otherwise may not have the racing connections to buy one.
Due to some of the TBs ending up badly injured btween the track and the kill pen and the uproar that followed, some people ended up researching the connections of the TBs in the kill pen using thier tattoo numbers. There were lots of trainers and owners getting harrassed and the tracks made new rules that any trainer caught selling or giving away horses that ultimately ended up in the kill pen would lose thier stalls at the track. Now of course none of this actually solves the problem of what to do with the horse when the owner tells the trainer to "get rid of him", there still are unwanted horses coming off the track (mostly TB) all the time.
The man on the video is just stating that he has a nice, seemingly sound, TB that he can no longer market to the public because of the actions of a few people. A horse that may have been purchased by an individual that would have given the horse a second chance and of course made a little extra $$$$ for the kill buyer, will now get on the truck straight to Mexico. I don't think he was being spiteful at all, racing is expensive and when the horses career is over they have to go somewhere, now many will go straight to Mexico thanks to some well meaning but misguided individuals. There is not near the market for OTT TBs as there is for OTT QHs, many times the trainer is lucky to be able to give them away and of course when they are given away lots of them end up at the sale barn or kill pen.
We have a TB broodmare in the pasture that was given to us, I need to get a picture of her, she is gorgeous, sound and so very athletic. It is such a waste and so sad but these women really did nothing to help the horses in the end.
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Location: Northern CA | However, we all need to face the fact that many, many times the "do-gooders" and "activists" cause much more harm than they do good. |
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| halter_ego - 2015-08-21 2:44 PM
However, we all need to face the fact that many, many times the "do-gooders" and "activists" cause much more harm than they do good.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | halter_ego - 2015-08-21 2:44 PM
However, we all need to face the fact that many, many times the "do-gooders" and "activists" cause much more harm than they do good.
Agreed they can do more harm than good
Not only the ottb world but in the horse industry in general
There is a need for horses to be shipped. I have taken quite a few horses in. And have learned over the years you can only do what you can afford to do and sometimes you need to cut your losses
if they aren't able to be rehomed. I have personally never shipped one of my own.
I will put one down before that happens. But I have helped a friend who had no other choice
The horse was dangerious and he was posted for free with problem disclosed.
no one wanted him. And she was moving and could no longer take the horse so she sen him to the sale.
He had dumped every single person that's ever riden him off
Including almost killing one guy and fractured another guys pelvis.
For instance horses who are dangerious, injured beyond any medical repair I would love
to haul each and every horse I have come across to those activists homes and leave drop them in their front yards to feed water shelter, vet and training bills. I have rescued and moved quite a few and sometimes you just gotta know you have done what you could and can't save them all. AND not to mention the fact that I have seen more cases of starvation and neglect since they stopped shipping.
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