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| My own Daughter of Merridoc is in Foal to A Streak of Fling for an early spring baby. I'm considering breeding back to Dash Ta Fame. Do you think this would be a good cross? And is it worth the fees to breed to Dash ta fame? I would either be selling as a yearling or keeping through futurity years.
My mare: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cee+the+view
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Location: California | My good friend's horse is a DTF out of a Merridoc mare (Fallin For Fame). His mother was a champion futurity and derby horse with Pam Ross and went on the be a bada** high school rodeo horse. He was 18th in the WPRA World Standing last year and has probably won over $100,000. Last year was the first year she hauled out of the State very much to the pro rodeos. He has 2 full siblings that are also really nice. |
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| What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers. |
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| mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
Your definition of nice papers and mine is likely very different.
I expect more out of my mares than having a known sire. |
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| mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
I think you are mistaken
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| kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 9:48 PM
mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
I expect more out of my mares than having a known sire.
A DTF out of even unknown mares will still go for more than most other foals by other sires (excluding the other BIG ones like FG, FWF, etc). Heck the only two weanlings on BHW by DTF aren't out of proven mares (or at least that I could find when I looked them up), and they are still $25k and $30k. Just a thought to ponder. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-16 10:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 9:48 PM
mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
I expect more out of my mares than having a known sire.
A DTF out of even unknown mares will still go for more than most other foals by other sires (excluding the other BIG ones like FG, FWF, etc ). Heck the only two weanlings on BHW by DTF aren't out of proven mares (or at least that I could find when I looked them up ), and they are still $25k and $30k. Just a thought to ponder.
Have they sold though? Is it smart to do that?
The original poster asked for opinions. I in turn asked for additional information since I could not give them an educated opinion with the limited information provided. Based only on what was given, I think it would be a poor decision for several reasons.
I'm well aware that the barrel industry as a whole does not understand or respect the value of female family. That said, I play the odds and what the very best possible chance at breeding a successful horse. I look for strong female families who have shown they produce nice, fast, sound horses.
Breeding is gamble enough, put the odds as much in your favor as you can.
A sire alone does not make a mare with reproducing no matter who you breed her to. |
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| Alright, some information on my mare.
She has only had one foal that I am aware of. She is currently on the track as a 3 yr old.
My mare also had a couple outs on the track before an injury. One of the races that she won, she beat Kendall Jackson that went on and won over $400k.
Here is some information on my Mares sisters. One went on to win over $128K on the track and 4 out of 6 of her foals combined for over $135k
Another sister of my mare won over $35k on the track and another won over $46k on the track. These two also had some foals that went on and won some good amounts on the track
This is all I have found out on her so far, and am not aware of any that have ran barrels. Most is on the track and I'm hoping to find some on the barrel side. |
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| I actually took the time to pull her up. She has an 81si and 1 win in 2 starts.
Her family is very solid. The only real knocks against her is she hasn't produced anything on her own and everything in her family is very regional. The regional thing could help if people respect them and you live up there. Her production record doesn't scream to breed her to a 7500 horse to me, but her family says it might be justified. |
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| E THE VIEW'S Offspring
ROAD STANLEY 4612615 Brown Gelding 02/21/2003 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
Sire- SOCIETY ROAD 2762942
Race: 07/2005 SI- 76 Starts- 4 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
Achievement: 2005 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED
CS CEE YA BYE 4755811 Brown Mare 04/05/2004 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
Sire- DASHIN BYE 3658322
Achievement: 2006 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED
CEE A CLASSIC 4710510 Sorrel Gelding 05/13/2005 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
Sire- A CLASSIC DASH 3064344
Race: 08/2008 SI- 88 Starts- 12 Wins- 1 2nds- 0 3rds- 2 $ 907 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
Achievement: 2007 RACING REGISTER OF MERIT
Achievement: 2005 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED
CEE THE DAWN 5333996 Chestnut Mare 03/30/2010 Parent Verified; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
Sire- DALE BADON 3948973
Race: 07/2015 SI- 68 Starts- 4 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 120 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
Achievement: 2011 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED
DRY DRANEY DON 5500140 Chestnut Stallion 05/08/2012 Transported Semen; Genetic Typed; Race Challenge
Sire- ROYAL SHAKE EM 3318516
Race: 08/2014 SI- 72 Starts- 5 Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0 $ 0 Stakes- Wins- 0 2nds- 0 3rds- 0
Achievement: 2013 RACING CHALLENGE ENROLLED |
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| kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 11:36 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-16 10:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 9:48 PM
mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
I expect more out of my mares than having a known sire.
A DTF out of even unknown mares will still go for more than most other foals by other sires (excluding the other BIG ones like FG, FWF, etc ). Heck the only two weanlings on BHW by DTF aren't out of proven mares (or at least that I could find when I looked them up ), and they are still $25k and $30k. Just a thought to ponder.
The original poster asked for opinions. I in turn asked for additional information since I could not give them an educated opinion with the limited information provided. Based only on what was given, I think it would be a poor decision for several reasons.
I'm well aware that the barrel industry as a whole does not understand or respect the value of female family. That said, I play the odds and what the very best possible chance at breeding a successful horse. I look for strong female families who have shown they produce nice, fast, sound horses.
Breeding is gamble enough, put the odds as much in your favor as you can.
A sire alone does not make a mare with reproducing no matter who you breed her to.
I'm not saying your wrong or anything, simply that people will still pay for a DTF regardless of mare family. YES, she could get more out of a proven mare, that's why there are $80k DTFs out there. But most other sires couldn't dream of getting even 20k off of a weanling. It just isn't done with most other stallions.
(Personally, not a DTF fan. Every one I've met was a basket case. That was just MY observation of pricing and such. I put more value on FWF than DTF, honestly.)
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| I think you're intentionally missing my point. I'm not going to advise someone to do something I think is stupid. I'll tell them what I think and why. In this case, the mare's family is solid. The mare herself would make me question the decision because she flat has not produced. There is just enough family there that I might risk it.
I pray I'm never at a point that I advise someone to breed on sire lines alone. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-17 9:27 AM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 11:36 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-16 10:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 9:48 PM
mreklaw - 2015-09-16 6:08 PM
kuhlmann - 2015-09-16 4:21 PM
What has your mare produced? Does she have a performance record? Did her dam or sisters produce anything?
I ask because being by a broodmare sire isn't enough for me to justify breeding a mare. It especially doesn't justify the expense you'd be going to.
I like DTF and I bred a mare to him with no reservations.
While I agree with most everything you said, I do believe DTF is the one exception to the rule. If she is marketing to the futurity crowd she will still have a very marketable baby. Won't make as much if the mare isn't proven but her mare has nice papers.
I expect more out of my mares than having a known sire.
A DTF out of even unknown mares will still go for more than most other foals by other sires (excluding the other BIG ones like FG, FWF, etc ). Heck the only two weanlings on BHW by DTF aren't out of proven mares (or at least that I could find when I looked them up ), and they are still $25k and $30k. Just a thought to ponder.
The original poster asked for opinions. I in turn asked for additional information since I could not give them an educated opinion with the limited information provided. Based only on what was given, I think it would be a poor decision for several reasons.
I'm well aware that the barrel industry as a whole does not understand or respect the value of female family. That said, I play the odds and what the very best possible chance at breeding a successful horse. I look for strong female families who have shown they produce nice, fast, sound horses.
Breeding is gamble enough, put the odds as much in your favor as you can.
A sire alone does not make a mare with reproducing no matter who you breed her to.
I'm not saying your wrong or anything, simply that people will still pay for a DTF regardless of mare family. YES, she could get more out of a proven mare, that's why there are $80k DTFs out there. But most other sires couldn't dream of getting even 20k off of a weanling. It just isn't done with most other stallions.
(Personally, not a DTF fan. Every one I've met was a basket case. That was just MY observation of pricing and such. I put more value on FWF than DTF, honestly. )
This was the point I was trying to make also. You cant argue with the success DTF's have had in the barrel pen. With that said they will bring more than most as futurity prospects and there is a reason for that. They win!!! So if you have a decent mare why not breed to him if you are going to market to the futurity crowd. No they will not bring as much as those out of proven mares but they will bring more than any other barrel sires out of so so mares. |
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| Wow, thanks for the info on my mare. I did not know she had that many offspring. Although her offspring hasn't been that successful on the track, I am very excited to do some more research on them.
It doesn't look like anyone has found the "magic cross" on my mare. There has got to be one out there.. The question is, What is the magic cross?? |
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