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Location: where the wind blows | As a Non-American citizen (I'm Canadian) I honestly for the life of me can not understand the continued adamant stand - that it seems the majority (not all of course) of my American friends and neighbours have (and even some Canadians) - that it is your right to buy, carry and use guns - at all costs.
As I sat this morning watching news coverage of yet another mass school shooting in the states. I realized I have honestly and sadly become numb to them. I remember vividly when Columbine happened and sitting glued to the tv and crying as I watched parents, who lost children share their stories. Then I watched again the horror of the Connecticut shooting of so many innocent little ones. I was sure after that mass killing of children views would change. But nothing has changed.
Time after time I sit and watch news coverage of these mass shootings in my neighbouring country and shake my head. I have to be honest here, as an outsider looking in I don't get it. I don't. Every time there is a mass shooting the argument begins over gun control. Again I hear it is your constitutional right to bare arms. But as was pointed out in a radio show (yes Canadian radio show) was that not written over 200 years ago when life was very different and you were in fact at war with England and that it pertained to protecting your country from invasion from other countries mainly - England. Now it seems to me that you are in fact at war with one another.
Yes I know, I know I've heard it - guns don't kill people, people kill people. However, I see people (I'll be it usually mental ill) with very easy access to guns killing people. Lots and lots of people, including very innocent youth.
I do not understand (please help me) why any average American citizen needs access to the guns that you all have access too. Why do you need assault guns that typically are meant for military.
I confess I don't know guns at all ( I'm honestly quite afraid of them). With that being said we do own guns. I couldn't tell you what they are (I'm guess some 22's and a shot gun). My husband and son's hunt and being on a farm we do need guns for the occasional time we have to humanely put an animal down or shoot a skunk or porcupine. But that's it, that's all we own.
As a Canadian I can't walk into a store tomorrow and buy a gun. I have to take a gun safety course, I have to take courses and get a license to be able to purchase a gun (that would be 22's and shot guns). If I want a pistol the regulations are very, very, very strict. I (to my knowledge) can not buy any sort of assault (I think that's what they are called- that shoot a lot at one time) rifle. And quite frankly why on earth would I need one.
As I type this my local radio talk show is again discussing another mass shooting in America. Again the host and callers are shaking their heads at the American mentality of your right to bare arms at all costs. I in Canada, just don't get it.
I'm not an Obama fan. I just don't think he is a great President however on his views on gun control needed in the U.S. I confess I agree with him.
I realize the problem isn't guns per say. The problem is larger than that, mental illness being one of them. But keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental illness needs to be looked at and if implementing some form of gun control does that and prevents these continuous mass shootings why on earth would you not be in favour of that. Yes, even at the expense of your God Given Right. Canada has forms of gun control in place. Yes I'm still able to own guns (or my husband and son's do). They have hunting guns, guns for shooting injured sick animals and I suppose if we absolutely needed, those same guns could be used to protect us or our property. Our gun laws do not prevent honest hard working law abiding citizens from owning guns but they do slow down a mentally ill person from being able to walk into a store today from buying a gun that can shoot a lot of people in a short amount of time, then going out and using it.
I do agree the biggest issue is obviously mental health and that's a whole other can of worms but I personally believe figuring out how to keep all your guns out of the hands of people with mental health issues would be a start.
I'm not meaning to start a war here. I'm just sharing my point of view from an outsider looking in, watching the news and not understanding the complete gun mentality that American's seem to have. And I confess I have many fellow Canadian that share the same views.
Hope we can keep this post civil. I just am trying to understand how implementing some gun control laws will affect negatively on your day to day life.
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Location: Florida.. | You have to have a license here to. But unfortnately the idiots can get ahold of guns in the streets or their friends .. its the people being irresponsible not the law..
if someone had a gun they could have prevented 9 of those deaths. The way I see it.... criminals will always have them.. we as citizens have to have a way to protect ourselves.. if you also read the mass shootings that One person had a concelaed weapon they prevented more killings, The ones that had none didnt..I agree Assault rifles shouldnt be for sale.. but in order to ban those they are throwing in alot of other nonsense.. so its a no win situation..I own guns and without them Id not feel safe.. its a horrible world out there . Times have changed
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Location: Kansas | I think there needs to be stricter laws when it comes to background checks, but even then...It can't prevent these things from happening.
I have a pistol in my truck, it sits there for emergencies. If I ever need to use it, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger to save my family or someone elses life.
Unfortunately, gun control that obama continues to push hasn't helped one bit. Unregistered guns are still being sold, criminals will always have access to guns.
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I know in Utah and Wyoming they do run a back ground check on every single person BUYING a gun from a STORE. That doesn't mean that some mentally ill person can go to a family members house and get easy access to one or buy one from some random person off the street.
If you notice all these shootings are where guns are not allowed. If they were you can bet your butt that the shooter would probably be dead before he could kill multiple people. | |
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Location: SE KS | because it is our 2nd amendment right - and I feel strongly having the ability to protect myself, family, friends, home, livestock
from whom if deemed threatend for my life to protect myself. Why give them the odds to be with them, when I can take back
some of my right to protect myself and even up the odds a little. You have to fight fire with fire and it is a mean world. Crimminals will always
have access to guns (not legally, no background check, sold on the street, blk market etc.) , and i want the right to protect myself.
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Location: North Dakota | I think the misconception is that many of the "outlaws" legally acquired the guns they're breaking the law with....not true. Are there many corrupt and disturbed people living here-yep.
I find it interesting that many "do not feel safe" without their guns, however, my husband and I have talked several times about someone breaking into our place-I'm not sure the gun swould be where we would head to.....I'm sorry for those that live in places where they don't feel safe every single day. Why is that?? There are so many "wayward souls" in our country....I'm not sure when it will ever end. I'm probably very naive but still feel very safe in my home and I sure hope no one takes that away from me.
OP gun owner ship is just like drinking, working etc. To be a good gun owner you need to be responsible, just like drinking, working and we all know people who can't even be responsible at work-how in the world would they be a good gun owner?? But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own a gun......a lot less to do with laws and more to do with taking a real close, hard look at the mentality of our country. | |
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Location: PNW | Criminals are CRIMINALS. Passing gun laws that restrict ownership for law-abiding citizens will change NOTHING, except make law-abiding citizens more vulnerable.
If even ONE person had had a concealed weapon at Umpqua Community College yesterday, like the Army veteran who was shot five times after he rushed the gunman, the death toll probably would not be what it is. If that man had had a firearm instead of his body to protect himself and his fellow students with, he probably would have stopped the shooter completely.
We need to stop trying to legislate people into behaving. It doesn't work. Criminals DON'T care, so the general population needs to be allowed to defend themselves.
As a parent, I WOULD. NOT. HESITATE. to put my children in a classroom with a TRAINED and ARMED educator. Given the choice between trained and armed or not - I would choose the trained and armed teacher EVERY TIME. As an educator, I would feel SO MUCH safer if I was allowed to be armed at school. The first thing I do when I walk into a new classroom (I work as a substitute when I can get a babysitter, I'm normally a stay-at-home-mom) is mentally go through the classroom: where can I cram the kids should an active shooter situation occur? What in this room can I use to barricade the doors? What in this room can I use as a weapon? Where is the best place for ME to stand to put MYSELF between the shooter and my students? If I were permitted to carry in the classroom, the answers to all of those questions would get significantly easier.
Should teachers and staff be allowed to just carry guns at school? No, absolutely not. Staff should undergo military-esque training, learn methods for protecting their students, methods for holding a position under fire, etc.
As a stay-at-home-mom, you can bet that I am MORE than capable and willing to protect my children by any means necessary, and when I am in a classroom I would do the same. I have been through one "threat" of a student bringing a gun to school and during our staff meeting with local police to discuss the threat, every. single. teacher besides myself and ONE other, said that they would just get into the corner with the kids and pray. Why? "Because what else are we supposed to do?" was the answer. I found it not only sad that teachers feel so helpless to stop violence, but also TERRIFIED at the thought that they didn't have the confidence to at least TRY to stop the shooter.
Not all staff needs to be armed, even just a few would help. If you were a criminal and you were planning on committing a crime like this, would you pick an armed target ready to defend itself? Or a target where you KNOW there are no weapons, and the victims have no means to defend themselves? Right. THAT is why we need to not ban guns. We need to EDUCATE people on guns and their proper use, but not ban them. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | OK let us start with gun control and gun free zones. This attack occurred in a "gun free zone".. So all law abiding citizens were sitting ducks for this guy.... NOW WAIT!!
There were students there that HAD firerearms.... but to pull them out and use them would have made them just as culpable as the shooter.
As a Canadian, you have always had us 'gun toting Americans' defending ... not only your southern border.... But our missiles protecting you from the USSR to the north!! So.... Do you have anything else you don't like about the USA?
We retain our gun rights to protect us from people Like Obama...
Sure we get crazy people once in a while... Like you don't??
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| Dinero10 - 2015-10-02 10:48 AM
because it is our 2nd amendment right - and I feel strongly having the ability to protect myself, family, friends, home, livestock
from whom if deemed threatend for my life to protect myself. Why give them  the odds to be with them, when I can take back
some of my right to protect myself and even up the odds a little. You have to fight fire with fire and it is a mean world. Crimminals will always
have access to guns (not legally, no background check, sold on the street, blk market etc.) , and i want the right to protect myself.
^^^ THIS!^^^ Especially with Obama wanting a civil army and living in South Texas brush country, you cannot wait for the police to come save you from the criminal/illegal that has a gun. Having had a bad experience or two with the local law, I am NOT putting my life or my family's in their hands. | |
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Location: Florida.. | LMS - 2015-10-02 11:50 AM I think the misconception is that many of the "outlaws" legally acquired the guns they're breaking the law with....not true. Are there many corrupt and disturbed people living here-yep.
I find it interesting that many "do not feel safe" without their guns, however, my husband and I have talked several times about someone breaking into our place-I'm not sure the gun swould be where we would head to.....I'm sorry for those that live in places where they don't feel safe every single day. Why is that?? There are so many "wayward souls" in our country....I'm not sure when it will ever end. I'm probably very naive but still feel very safe in my home and I sure hope no one takes that away from me.
OP gun owner ship is just like drinking, working etc. To be a good gun owner you need to be responsible, just like drinking, working and we all know people who can't even be responsible at work-how in the world would they be a good gun owner?? But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own a gun......a lot less to do with laws and more to do with taking a real close, hard look at the mentality of our country.
I feel safe in my home. I am in a great small town with horses and land. But if someone decided to break into my home.. I like to know I have a way to protect myself and Yes Id shoot them dead.
without a way to protect myself what would I do? get raped, beat up, or murdered.. | |
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Location: PNW | Forgot to add:
You are obviously uneducated about both guns AND American gun laws (I'm saying this in a friendly tone, computers just make everything b!tchy, but truly I am smiling and typing this in a friendly manner). We can't just walk into Walmart and buy an AK47.
What you are calling "assault" weapons are actually AUTOMATIC weapons, you pull the trigger once and bullets keep coming for as long as you hold. We can't buy these. The only access to automatic weapons that the public LEGALLY has is for automatic firearms manufactured before 1986. The firearms still in circulation are PROHIBITIVELY expensive for the public. They are in private, high-end collections, not being carried around on Joe American's hip. After 1986, automatic weapons have only been LEGALLY available to law enforcement. These are CLASS 3 weapons, and require EXTREMELY strict background checks to purchase. My husband has undergone this background check and I can tell you they DIG, and if they find even the TINIEST deviation from sanity or law-abiding citizen, you are denied; you must also then get approval from the Sheriff, and be cleared by the ATF. Class 3 weapons include suppressors, full auto, short barreled rifles, flame throwers, mortars, etc.
MANY firearms, are SEMI-automatic. You load it, and then you pull the trigger every time you want to shoot. As fast as you can pull, is how fast the gun will function. These are your double-action revolvers, 1911s, Glocks, etc. These differ from things like a pump shotgun that requires a pump action to load each round, or a single-action revolver that requires that you pull the hammer before pulling the trigger to fire each round.
The term "assault weapon" is a very VAGUE term that has different working definitions depending on the situation.
ETA: I emphasized LEGALLY in this because that is what matters. Criminals will always have illegal access to whatever they want. That is not the issue when talking about gun laws. Gun laws only applies to law-abiding citizens.
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Location: Missouri | Bibliafarm - 2015-10-02 11:05 AM
LMS - 2015-10-02 11:50 AM I think the misconception is that many of the "outlaws" legally acquired the guns they're breaking the law with....not true. Are there many corrupt and disturbed people living here-yep.Â
I find it interesting that many "do not feel safe" without their guns, however, my husband and I have talked several times about someone breaking into our place-I'm not sure the gun swould be where we would head to.....I'm sorry for those that live in places where they don't feel safe every single day. Why is that?? There are so many "wayward souls" in our country....I'm not sure when it will ever end. I'm probably very naive but still feel very safe in my home and I sure hope no one takes that away from me.Â
OP gun owner ship is just like drinking, working etc. To be a good gun owner you need to be responsible, just like drinking, working and we all know people who can't even be responsible at work-how in the world would they be a good gun owner?? But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own a gun......a lot less to do with laws and more to do with taking a real close, hard look at the mentality of our country.Â
I feel safe in my home. I am in a great small town with horses and land. But if someone decided to break into my home.. I like to know I have a way to protect myself and Yes Id shoot them dead.
without a way to protect myself what would I do? get raped, beat up, or murdered.. Â
^^ This, as a female, I know the dangers of traveling alone as well as living alone. I live with my bf but he is gone so much for harvest that I am usually left alone. I know that if I see headlights in my yard, they are not suppose to be there. I am constantly thinking of "what if". Every time I fill up my truck at night, every time I go home to an empty home, every time I work at my job in the ghetto. If a gun is what makes me feel safe, so be it.
Unfortunetly, so many criminals are able to access guns in an illegal manner. Gun free zones don't make us safe, having a gun and knowing how to properly use it and store it out of reach of those who could do harm, is what keeps us safe. I think we need to up our education on guns starting with children as young as 8. They should know not to even look at a gun with out adult supervision, we then need to continue the education throughout school so that children know that these are life taking devices.
PS, I went to a school and in 8th grade we had an archery class. Yes, with real bows and arrows, NO ONE ever killed, or died. It's not the weapon, it's the person. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | svincent - 2015-10-02 11:14 AM Forgot to add: You are obviously uneducated about both guns AND American gun laws (I'm saying this in a friendly tone, computers just make everything b!tchy, but truly I am smiling and typing this in a friendly manner). We can't just walk into Walmart and buy an AK47. What you are calling "assault" weapons are actually AUTOMATIC weapons, you pull the trigger once and bullets keep coming for as long as you hold. We can't buy these. The only access to automatic weapons that the public LEGALLY has is for automatic firearms manufactured before 1986. The firearms still in circulation are PROHIBITIVELY expensive for the public. They are in private, high-end collections, not being carried around on Joe American's hip. After 1986, automatic weapons have only been LEGALLY available to law enforcement. These are CLASS 3 weapons, and require EXTREMELY strict background checks to purchase. My husband has undergone this background check and I can tell you they DIG, and if they find even the TINIEST deviation from sanity or law-abiding citizen, you are denied; you must also then get approval from the Sheriff, and be cleared by the ATF. Class 3 weapons include suppressors, full auto, short barreled rifles, flame throwers, mortars, etc. MANY firearms, are SEMI-automatic. You load it, and then you pull the trigger every time you want to shoot. As fast as you can pull, is how fast the gun will function. These are your double-action revolvers, 1911s, Glocks, etc. These differ from things like a pump shotgun that requires a pump action to load each round, or a single-action revolver that requires that you pull the hammer before pulling the trigger to fire each round. The term "assault weapon" is a very VAGUE term that has different working definitions depending on the situation. ETA: I emphasized LEGALLY in this because that is what matters. Criminals will always have illegal access to whatever they want. That is not the issue when talking about gun laws. Gun laws only applies to law-abiding citizens. 
Thank you for a great explanation.
We live in a safe place and I feel very secure in my home......but I still sleep with a gun in arm's reach. I'm not waiting on law enforcement to find us in the boonies. I don't fret traveling alone either...I can protect myself.
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Location: North Dakota | Bibliafarm - 2015-10-02 11:05 AM LMS - 2015-10-02 11:50 AM I think the misconception is that many of the "outlaws" legally acquired the guns they're breaking the law with....not true. Are there many corrupt and disturbed people living here-yep.
I find it interesting that many "do not feel safe" without their guns, however, my husband and I have talked several times about someone breaking into our place-I'm not sure the gun swould be where we would head to.....I'm sorry for those that live in places where they don't feel safe every single day. Why is that?? There are so many "wayward souls" in our country....I'm not sure when it will ever end. I'm probably very naive but still feel very safe in my home and I sure hope no one takes that away from me.
OP gun owner ship is just like drinking, working etc. To be a good gun owner you need to be responsible, just like drinking, working and we all know people who can't even be responsible at work-how in the world would they be a good gun owner?? But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own a gun......a lot less to do with laws and more to do with taking a real close, hard look at the mentality of our country. I feel safe in my home. I am in a great small town with horses and land. But if someone decided to break into my home.. I like to know I have a way to protect myself and Yes Id shoot them dead.
without a way to protect myself what would I do? get raped, beat up, or murdered..
I'm not saying your response to what would happen if someone came into your home, is wrong, My point is that there was a time where a good yell, or a slap/punch would be enough to take care of a situation.
I find it very sad that a gun is the go to item, that people don't have enough respect for each other.
More spankings (or a$$ whoopings) and more respect.
What a messed up world there is out there.
I'm sure my eyes will be opened soon enough, that warm fuzzy safe feeling I have about my state will probably change sooner than I want. | |
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| I didn't read all the posts...but let me say something. Last week, there was a man hunt for a guy on the property right next door to me. Nobody knows how long he was staying at the property. They caught him after I called 911 because I thought the place was being robbed one night..it was him and his friends (nobody lives at the property full-time). First thing hubby and I did was pack and load our shotgun for protection. Why should anybody not be able to protect themselves??? A bat isn't going to get the job done unless i have the element of surprise.
Ask the City of Chicago how many people die from their guns? It's a strict gun zone and yet they have massive amounts of deaths. These people don't own the guns legally.
Your question should be: why are they so many sick people in society?
Boston Bombers used a bomb...it's just about weapon of choice. They will find a way.
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| I am also a Canadian and I haven't read up on the specifics of this shooting so I don't know of the individual had legal weapons or not.
Don't kid yourself in canada if someone wants a gun, they can find a gun or build a gun without a liscense.
I had the opposite reaction. I think schools should consider giving teachers guns and the appropriate training to use deadly force of someone opens fire.
I seen an article today about the man who received 7 shots when he charged the shooter. He is a hero and I cannot remember his name
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Location: SE Louisiana | svincent - 2015-10-02 11:14 AM
Forgot to add:
You are obviously uneducated about both guns AND American gun laws (I'm saying this in a friendly tone, computers just make everything b!tchy, but truly I am smiling and typing this in a friendly manner). We can't just walk into Walmart and buy an AK47.
What you are calling "assault" weapons are actually AUTOMATIC weapons, you pull the trigger once and bullets keep coming for as long as you hold. We can't buy these. The only access to automatic weapons that the public LEGALLY has is for automatic firearms manufactured before 1986. The firearms still in circulation are PROHIBITIVELY expensive for the public. They are in private, high-end collections, not being carried around on Joe American's hip. After 1986, automatic weapons have only been LEGALLY available to law enforcement. These are CLASS 3 weapons, and require EXTREMELY strict background checks to purchase. My husband has undergone this background check and I can tell you they DIG, and if they find even the TINIEST deviation from sanity or law-abiding citizen, you are denied; you must also then get approval from the Sheriff, and be cleared by the ATF. Class 3 weapons include suppressors, full auto, short barreled rifles, flame throwers, mortars, etc.
MANY firearms, are SEMI-automatic. You load it, and then you pull the trigger every time you want to shoot. As fast as you can pull, is how fast the gun will function. These are your double-action revolvers, 1911s, Glocks, etc. These differ from things like a pump shotgun that requires a pump action to load each round, or a single-action revolver that requires that you pull the hammer before pulling the trigger to fire each round.
The term "assault weapon" is a very VAGUE term that has different working definitions depending on the situation.
ETA: I emphasized LEGALLY in this because that is what matters. Criminals will always have illegal access to whatever they want. That is not the issue when talking about gun laws. Gun laws only applies to law-abiding citizens.
.... I would like to add to this.... PLEASE name one gun crime committed in the USA in the last 50 years that had a criminal with a true (automatic) weapon. | |
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Location: In the saddle enjoying the East Texas sky | Criminals will always have guns. They almost never formally buy them in a store like law abiding citizens. Statistically the guns used in crimes-especially mass murders were stolen, or bought on black market (smuggled in or stolen) the way I view it is that it is absolutely my right to own guns of all caliber to protect my family, and if it should ever come down to it in my lifetime protect my freedoms and revolt against our corrupt government and polticians in the form of a militia. But I digress.
Back to the topic of criminals let's say hypothetically that every gun is destroyed and they no longer exist even on the black market. Do you honestly believe that these horrible, evil events will stop occurring. You're an idiot if you think so. The idea of that is a fantasy. Evil events will occur, they will happen with everyday things (ex. Knives) and then as this evil evolves the weaponry used will change and then evolve as well. And then what? Do we keep crippling law abiding citizens. "You can no longer have knives in your kitchen, because somebody killed someone with a knife" "you can no longer have cleaning chemicals such as bleach or windex because someone contaminated a water supply." Yes those last two examples sound far fetched but really how far off the ball are they? I stand by my right to bear arms and I will fight to the death to keep that freedom, because with out this freedom I would not have a fighting chance. | |
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Location: SE KS | LMS - 2015-10-02 11:21 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-10-02 11:05 AM LMS - 2015-10-02 11:50 AM I think the misconception is that many of the "outlaws" legally acquired the guns they're breaking the law with....not true. Are there many corrupt and disturbed people living here-yep.
I find it interesting that many "do not feel safe" without their guns, however, my husband and I have talked several times about someone breaking into our place-I'm not sure the gun swould be where we would head to.....I'm sorry for those that live in places where they don't feel safe every single day. Why is that?? There are so many "wayward souls" in our country....I'm not sure when it will ever end. I'm probably very naive but still feel very safe in my home and I sure hope no one takes that away from me.
OP gun owner ship is just like drinking, working etc. To be a good gun owner you need to be responsible, just like drinking, working and we all know people who can't even be responsible at work-how in the world would they be a good gun owner?? But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to own a gun......a lot less to do with laws and more to do with taking a real close, hard look at the mentality of our country. I feel safe in my home. I am in a great small town with horses and land. But if someone decided to break into my home.. I like to know I have a way to protect myself and Yes Id shoot them dead.
without a way to protect myself what would I do? get raped, beat up, or murdered..
I find it very sad that a gun is the go to item, that people don't have enough respect for each other.
More spankings (or a$$ whoopings) and more respect.
What a messed up world there is out there.
I'm sure my eyes will be opened soon enough, that warm fuzzy safe feeling I have about my state will probably change sooner than I want.
that time is gone - and I don't thinking yelling or slapping is going to stop a bullet. | |
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| I posted this to someone's FB this morning. I didn't feel like typing it all again.
No one in their RIGHT mind goes out with intention to kill someone. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I live with around 10 guns, they haven't tried to kill me or anyone else. Gun control isn't the answer. Mental health support is what is needed. Mental health in the background check information would be helpful. Background checks are mandatory unless you have a permit to carry. Permits require a background check before they are issued. If you are mentally unstable, but have committed no crimes, you still have a clean background check. If you are a teen who committed underage crimes, those go away when you are 18, which is how old you have to be to get a permit. So it's NOT a GUN issue. It's a SYSTEM issue in which people who are unstable, but at the time are crime free, are able to get the guns. They could build bombs, they could stab people, they could hijack a plane, etc, but the SYSTEM doesn't tell the seller that they are mentally ill. The OTHER problem with mentally unstable people is they may not know they have mental health issues or won't admit they have issues and they won't see a doctor, so no record is there period. But it is NOT a GUN issue. | |
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