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Location: texas | So i just recently posted a thing about my third barrel and what i could do to fix it and attached some runs with it.....well i do appreciate all the advise but are yall always that not rude but just overpowering and nit pick everything? i mean YES I KNOW IM NOT A PERFECT RIDER but some of you just made me feel like im a POS rider and dont have a clue what im doing. Some that responded where just too harsh. didnt give me any good feedback or any compliemnets...all bad stuff. i can tell you now that i wont be posting anymore of my runs:) i dont mean to offend anybody but ive noticed that all you ladies do to each other when somebody post a barrel run asking a a couple tips...
Like a couple months ago somebody posted there pole and barrel run that was clean and looked like a heck of a run to me; the poster said something like "so proud of my boy running so hard for me!" then a whole bunch of people start commenting saying either
1.)sit up, look up, put you hands lower etc
2.)you need to slow down and go back to basics
3.) you need to sell that horse hes blah blah blah
Just saying ladies! lets have some words of encouragement and things that will motivate each other instead on kicking us in the gut! This wasnt meant to offend or be mean to anybody i promise just saying what ive been seeing! God Bless yall and your horses:)) |
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Location: Florida.. | My apologies if my Post was to critical It surely wasnt meant to be. Trainer mode sets in for alot of us and I think if you ask we just say what we think is the best way for you to further your riding and the horses.. advice given.. I dont feel it is a direct bash of you or your riding I think its more of a training issue and the only way you as a rider will learn is for advice.. you asked and advice was given.. I dont recall anyone being rude? or making you feel like you cant ride.. going back to basics and slow isnt a bash.. its the best way to get a horse with you.. and you with him.. again Apologies ..certainly didnt want you to feel like you cant ride.. |
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| Just PM the good people on here, to hell with the snotty know it all types. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-10-05 11:03 PM
My apologies if my Post was to critical It surely wasnt meant to be. Trainer mode sets in for alot of us and I think if you ask we just say what we think is the best way for you to further your riding and the horses.. advice given.. I dont feel it is a direct bash of you or your riding I think its more of a training issue and the only way you as a rider will learn is for advice.. you asked and advice was given.. I dont recall anyone being rude? or making you feel like you cant ride.. going back to basics and slow isnt a bash.. its the best way to get a horse with you.. and you with him.. again Apologies ..certainly didnt want you to feel like you cant ride..
And I agree with this, people need to learn how to take constructive criticism. |
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Location: Florida.. | I dont see any one being rude. It was advice.. Maybe words typed on here sound differant then intended.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=466119&posts=13&start=1
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Location: texas | i meant to say "yall werent rude just kinda like harsh and nit picking" my bad |
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Welcome to the adult world.
Things I have learned in life
Sugar coating things will get you nowhere
Constructive criticism can seem harsh, but you need to put your ego aside and learn from what people are saying.
Out of every interaction, you should be able to learn one thing, so don't be throwing your sucker in the dirt, reflect back, and learn from the experience.
Take from the experience and learn from it. Learn how to respond to criticism. By doing this post, it isn't classy. You do something like this later on in life and it will bite you in the arse, possibly even cost you jobs, promotions. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cheryl makofka - 2015-10-05 11:09 PM Welcome to the adult world. Things I have learned in life Sugar coating things will get you nowhere Constructive criticism can seem harsh, but you need to put your ego aside and learn from what people are saying. Out of every interaction, you should be able to learn one thing, so don't be throwing your sucker in the dirt, reflect back, and learn from the experience. Take from the experience and learn from it. Learn how to respond to criticism. By doing this post, it isn't classy. You do something like this later on in life and it will bite you in the arse, possibly even cost you jobs, promotions.
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| I was just reading that thread. I personally didn't see anyone being harsh. You asked for advice, people gave it. The problem with the written word is that you can't hear a tone to the word. If you are sensitive then when you read something, you might read it in a tone that is totally off from what the person posting meant it to be read in. Does that make sense?
I personally thought the advice was spot on for the most part. But I read it in a business like manner with no emotion. All I would add is in your slow work, really reinforce rate and turn on 2nd and 3rd. Walk up to them both, stop at your rate point and stand. Then circle the barrel twice and keep the body shaped. When you are leaving both barrels, make the horse step over and overturn them slightly before straighting the body to go to your next barrel or home as the case may be. |
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Location: Kansas | Hold on......where are you getting that they were harsh? I read that thread....not once did I see anything that was negative. They were giving you advice not only on how you need to ride, but what would work for your horse as well.
Sorry but good horsemanship skills are a huge part of barrel racing.
No need to get butt hurt and make a new thread complaining when people were just trying to help you.
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Location: That part of Texas | Ashlen1515 - 2015-10-05 11:09 PM i meant to say "yall werent rude just kinda like harsh and nit picking" my bad
The difference between being good and being great is in those nitpicked details. Looking at those areas and changing them is what takes you higher. Instead of asking other people to change, it's easier to make a change in how you see things. You can chose to see that nitpicking as being bad and tearing down others or you can view them as actual words of encouragement -- a gift even -- being offered for free by people who know how to take you to the next level. They cared enough about you, your horse and your riding to offer those words of advice. It's up to you what you do with them. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Something to think about. You got a lot of "free" training/riding advice many have paid hard earned $$ to get this information. Some, thru trial and error with lots of sweat and tears thrown in. I wish I could have had this information at my fingertips when I was young and starting out.
( the above is not sugar coated ) |
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| Unfortunately for a lot of the younger crowd (I am on the tail end of this as the last GenX er year) we now expect "advice" to now be warm and fuzzy with lots of "atta girl's!!!" and not so much, "LOOK UP!!! IF YOU LOOK DOWN THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL END UP!!!" type stuff.
But those of us that are in it to win it and can get past the yelling will see through to the fact that we:
1) may need to put our hands down, stop leaning, look up, etc. (If it's inhibiting my horse enough for someone to be saying the same thing over an over...maybe I should do it. Just a thought)
2) if you pay a lot of money for an Ed Wright/Sharon Camarillo/George Morris/ Steffan Peters clinic and they are yelling THE SAME THING...maybe you should do it and not think you are wasting $600 for someone to yell at you. They have been there and know how to get results
3) not everyone wins a blue ribbon or a gold buckle in the real world
4) barrel racing and most equine sports require quick movements and lots of "doing" rather than muddling over our feelings. Please do not ask for advice and then get mad when honest advice is given. I don't see anywhere where anyone said "you suck, you should unsaddle the horse and sit on the fence."
We all need to start somewhere and there are many levels of riders on this board. Some are professionals who we would be paying $60 or more to take a lesson with. I, for one, am not going to give up the opportunity to learn from them for free. Even if their criticism would be something like, if you lost 10lbs your horse could clock better and you wouldn't get left behind when she leaves the 2nd barrel." Normally this would be harsh. But if I want to seriously improve, maybe I should listen to what is actually being said and not dwell on something that I already know and make it someone else's fault. Own your shortcomings and don't allow them to own you and it will release you to move forward with your riding. Good luck!!!  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | How is "go back to basics" saying you can't ride? That's the FIRST thing a trainer does to fix a problem. Take the horse back to kindergarten, get it fixed away from the pattern, then go to the barrels and add speed. 90% of the time, the dry work fixes the pattern problem. And we as riders all get into bad habits sometimes. Monkey see-monkey do...they're contagious. If you have a good foundation in horsemanship, problems are easy to fix once brought to our attention.
Heres a secret: most pros have someone they trust critique (Nitpick!) them regularly. Because no one is perfect, and a second set of eyes might catch something that was missed. Nitpicking separates winners from also rans. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I had the AWESOME opportunity to get yelled and screamed at while attending a Connie Combs clinic. My brain is failing me, I cannot recall the woman's name who was there with Connie. But she's an ex drill Sargent. And I'll tell you what, that lady has a set of lungs on her and she will use them if you screw up. We were all being yelled at left and right. At first, I thought, I didn't spend this much $ to get yelled at.... But then it clicked. And it became motivational and pushed me to try harder and do better. It isn't all going to be "nicey nice". But you have to take the bad with the good. And vise versa. Learn and grow. |
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| Just read your original thread and there wasnt anyone being rude, harsh, etc... they were actually giving you GREAT advice!
Sorry you didnt like what they had to say. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | cheryl makofka - 2015-10-05 10:09 PM Welcome to the adult world. Things I have learned in life Sugar coating things will get you nowhere Constructive criticism can seem harsh, but you need to put your ego aside and learn from what people are saying. Out of every interaction, you should be able to learn one thing, so don't be throwing your sucker in the dirt, reflect back, and learn from the experience. Take from the experience and learn from it. Learn how to respond to criticism. By doing this post, it isn't classy. You do something like this later on in life and it will bite you in the arse, possibly even cost you jobs, promotions. I agree. This is NOT directed to the orginator of this thread, but you can almost tell the age of the poster on here or FB or wherever, by their use of the English language and the expected sugar coating when asking for a critique when they post a video or ask for a critique. I read the thread also and didn't see any rudeness. Going back to basics is never a bad idea in any discipline. That's why ropers may score 20 head of cattle to every one they actually rope when training or a barrel racer may spend a month walking around a barrel before attempting a run at it. If you can't get it down going slow or before adding speed you're always going to have problems plus every horse is different with a different set of problems or learning curve. I did read the OP's profile and the 'hate people who can afford automatic horses' prompts me to maybe offer the suggestion that with enough time spent training you can make your own automatic horse and don't have to harbor that envy :) Shoot, you should have seen some of the comments 10 years ago if the OP thought this was bad LOL
Edited by teehaha 2015-10-06 12:16 PM
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Location: The edge of no where | Whiney much? I went back and read the original post - there was a lot of kind constructive advice on how to fix the issue.
IF you want a look at the OP's personality...... this came straight off her profile. Love & peace, y'all.... Love & peace....
Things I Hate - People who can afford automatic horses
Edited by MS2011 2015-10-06 12:20 PM
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Location: the end of the rainbow | ~BINGO~ - 2015-10-06 8:54 AM
I had the AWESOME opportunity to get yelled and screamed at while attending a Connie Combs clinic. My brain is failing me, I cannot recall the woman's name who was there with Connie. But she's an ex drill Sargent. And I'll tell you what, that lady has a set of lungs on her and she will use them if you screw up. We were all being yelled at left and right. At first, I thought, I didn't spend this much $ to get yelled at.... But then it clicked. And it became motivational and pushed me to try harder and do better. It isn't all going to be "nicey nice". But you have to take the bad with the good. And vise versa. Learn and grow.
if you ever do a clinic with Dolli Lauteret don't get your feelers hurt if she tells you you're riding like crap do xyz. Except the list of things she tells you to do is about a mile long. She is awesome. I love having that kind of motivation every now & then. |
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Location: Oklahoma | All the advice offered on the original thread is being offered FREE... not many places you can go and get free advice. It may hurt reading what you don't want to see, but at the end of the day... you are getting advice that you can choose to use or not use. |
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