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| I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I wouldn't bother. You don't even kow for sure that you have the right people. IMO, it is NOT COOL to have a lawyer send a letter to someone that might not even BE the prior owner. If papers are THAT important to you, buy a horse whose papers are in order and are going with it. :)
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Location: Kansas | Are you sure the message didn't go to their "other" folder? |
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| I paid the $1 that FB charges to make sure it goes into their regular folder.
Normally, I would agree that I don't know that these are for sure the right people. But they have very unique names and I am 99.9999999% sure these are the correct people. |
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Location: Texas | You could possible send them a register letter explaining the situation but I probably would not send a letter from lawyer. I contacted the breeder on a horse that I bought, just wanting to know anything about the dam. I do have his papers but a letter and FB message and no response. I gave up. |
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Location: Kansas | well poop. I don't understand why people just won't respond. I find it honestly rude. |
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| On a gelding? IMO, if it were a very well papered mare, go for it. However I believe you are wasting your time and money. |
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| RocketPilot - 2015-10-09 12:42 PM You could possible send them a register letter explaining the situation but I probably would not send a letter from lawyer. I contacted the breeder on a horse that I bought, just wanting to know anything about the dam. I do have his papers but a letter and FB message and no response. I gave up.
Thanks for the suggestion, I didn't think about a registered letter.I think that will be my next step!
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| MissouriJen - 2015-10-09 11:50 AM
I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them.
You never paid for a papered horse, you paid for a grade horse.
People pull papers for multiple reasons, and if they don't want to send the papers, there is absolutely nothing you can do.
I do have a problem with people expecting to get papers for a horse without having to pay what the papered horse is worth.
So what is a lawyer going to do, demand the papers? You can't, as the auction didn't guarantee papers, you bought a grade horse.
I have heard of people being tracked down and willing to give the papers for a 4500 service fee. I thought this is a good idea |
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Location: Midwest | cheryl makofka - 2015-10-09 1:09 PM MissouriJen - 2015-10-09 11:50 AM I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them. You never paid for a papered horse, you paid for a grade horse. People pull papers for multiple reasons, and if they don't want to send the papers, there is absolutely nothing you can do. I do have a problem with people expecting to get papers for a horse without having to pay what the papered horse is worth. So what is a lawyer going to do, demand the papers? You can't, as the auction didn't guarantee papers, you bought a grade horse. I have heard of people being tracked down and willing to give the papers for a 4500 service fee. I thought this is a good idea
I don't blame the girl for trying. Not that papers are a guarantee, but they sure do help sell a horse and/or add value to make sure it won't end up back at the same auction.
Now if folks wanted to cull him, that's another story... but honestly I'm not sure why they would have done that. I can see a breeder doing it if they feel the horse is a cull, but not really why an owner would.
However, if they don't want to answer, that's their perrogative. I would try to find a phone number. Not everyone goes on fb much or ever checks messages. Either that, or mail them a letter with your phone number.
Good luck, but I wouldn't be expecting anything TBH. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MissouriJen - 2015-10-09 11:50 AM I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them.
This seems more than a little "fishy" to me...... |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-09 1:41 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-10-09 1:09 PM MissouriJen - 2015-10-09 11:50 AM I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them. You never paid for a papered horse, you paid for a grade horse. People pull papers for multiple reasons, and if they don't want to send the papers, there is absolutely nothing you can do. I do have a problem with people expecting to get papers for a horse without having to pay what the papered horse is worth. So what is a lawyer going to do, demand the papers? You can't, as the auction didn't guarantee papers, you bought a grade horse. I have heard of people being tracked down and willing to give the papers for a 4500 service fee. I thought this is a good idea
Now if folks wanted to cull him, that's another story... but honestly I'm not sure why they would have done that. I can see a breeder doing it if they feel the horse is a cull, but not really why an owner would.
However, if they don't want to answer, that's their perrogative. I would try to find a phone number. Not everyone goes on fb much or ever checks messages. Either that, or mail them a letter with your phone number.
Good luck, but I wouldn't be expecting anything TBH.
She is contemplating sending a lawyer after the previous owners to cough up the papers, to me that is a little over the deep end. |
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| My uncle sold a horse to a young lady on payments, but kept the papers. She quit making payments and sold the horse. She told the new owners he was papered and who had the papers. They called him to get the papers. The papers on that horse cost $1,000. The amount she shorted him.
Point being-there may be a reason for no papers. |
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| I don't blame you for trying. I would try too. It gives an opportunity to know a horses history. There is nothing wrong with that. I would contact AQHA and see if you can DNA verify your horse and get his papers that way. If you have a bill of sale from the auction and he is DNA verified you should be able to get his papers for a nominal fee.
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Location: Bama | magic gunsmoke - 2015-10-09 9:35 PM
I don't blame you for trying. I would try too. It gives an opportunity to know a horses history. There is nothing wrong with that. I would contact AQHA and see if you can DNA verify your horse and get his papers that way. If you have a bill of sale from the auction and he is DNA verified you should be able to get his papers for a nominal fee.
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The certificate belongs to AQHA. You'll have to pay for DNA testing. I'd call AQHA Monday and ask them.
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Location: Arkansas | barrelracr131 - 2015-10-09 1:41 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-10-09 1:09 PM MissouriJen - 2015-10-09 11:50 AM I just got a gelding that was bought through an auction without papers. I was able to contact the breeder, found out his registered name and who the last listed owners were.
I have messaged multiple Facebook accounts that appear to be these people, with no response. The breeder had bought the horse back from them at one point and involved AQHA, but was not able to get the papers. I am just curious if a letter from an attorney may be possible or worth the trouble? I know I don't really have any sort of recourse if they choose to ignore it.
He's a gelding, so it's not like papers are a must have. But if a horse has papers or can have papers, I'm willing to explore whatever it may take to get them. You never paid for a papered horse, you paid for a grade horse. People pull papers for multiple reasons, and if they don't want to send the papers, there is absolutely nothing you can do. I do have a problem with people expecting to get papers for a horse without having to pay what the papered horse is worth. So what is a lawyer going to do, demand the papers? You can't, as the auction didn't guarantee papers, you bought a grade horse. I have heard of people being tracked down and willing to give the papers for a 4500 service fee. I thought this is a good idea
Now if folks wanted to cull him, that's another story... but honestly I'm not sure why they would have done that. I can see a breeder doing it if they feel the horse is a cull, but not really why an owner would.
However, if they don't want to answer, that's their perrogative. I would try to find a phone number. Not everyone goes on fb much or ever checks messages. Either that, or mail them a letter with your phone number.
Good luck, but I wouldn't be expecting anything TBH.
I agree---try the registered letter route and if it works, great. If not, at least you tried. |
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| palominopaintlover - 2015-10-09 9:58 PM
magic gunsmoke - 2015-10-09 9:35 PM
I don't blame you for trying. I would try too. It gives an opportunity to know a horses history. There is nothing wrong with that. I would contact AQHA and see if you can DNA verify your horse and get his papers that way. If you have a bill of sale from the auction and he is DNA verified you should be able to get his papers for a nominal fee.
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The certificate belongs to AQHA. You'll have to pay for DNA testing. I'd call AQHA Monday and ask them.
I don't understand why people think holding papers is ok.
I just read the entire link, and there are a few loop holes
If you pull the papers on a horse, from what I read you can actually do it, but you are to notify aqha you sold the horse without the papers. I want to know what aqha does after this, and if aqha will reissue the papers to another individual.
Also if the papers are "lost" you need to go back to the last documented owner have them write a letter stating who they give the papers to, and you need to keep going down the list till you find who lost the papers. A signed tranfer report also needs to be done for each owner.
So my understanding one can say yes I pulled the papers and sold the horse, but forgot to notify aqha, then no papers would be issued. |
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| According to AQHA, it is the responsibility of the SELLER to complete the transfer on a sale. You do not really even have proof that this is the actual horse that you bought. A DNAtest is $65. If you could just get new papers on a horse anybody could pick one up at a sale and call AQHA and get papers. People keep papers all the time for various reasons and AQHA is not going to harass one of their members because someone bought a horse at a sale and wants papers. The horse is a gelding papers are not going to change anything. |
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