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Location: NM | I'm needing suggestions for a supplement to help give my mare a little fire. She is 17, but VERY fit. Usually a 2D-3D horse. I feed a balanced 12% sweet feed, really nice local NM alfalfa, twice daily, (calf mana & flax seed also) teeth good, blood work is good and no lameness issues. The last couple of months she is really loafing between barrels. Just trying to see what supplements that are out there. Need the extra go without the crazy. Thanks!! |
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| I would quit feeding the Calf Manna and use Platinum CJ. I would suggest the Platinum Performance but since she is an older horse I would go with the Platinum CJ.
Better add that I feed one scoop per day.
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | I add oats when I need some energy /pep :) |
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| No sweet feed. Remember, horses can only run as fast as they can run. No supplement can make a horse go faster than their breeding and body type can accommodate. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | We've seen more fire in our horses since we REMOVED commercial grain from their diet. They look and feel better than they ever have....and we were feeding one of the most expensive, most respected feeds that you can get. I can't explain it, but I can sure show you the difference in the horses...and that's enough for me. |
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| You may want to look into red cell, I use it for about a month if I have one who is a little lethargic |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | I use red cell and quite a few formula 707 products. I am interested in learning about the cutting commercial grain. What then did you feed? |
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| I would go with Blue Bonnet Sr Intensify. Add rice bran, mega cell from MV veterinary products and Alfalfa. I would also try the Cur Ost Total E Q supplement. |
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| Rachelynn80 would you let us know your recipe. I'd love to have a good mix. I live in an area where it's mostly cattle.ive been feeding triple crown complete.there flax supplement, and platinum performance cj and equiprides lick tubs orchard grass hay and a salt block, not sure if it's just overkill. |
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Location: West Texas | If it were me and I really wanted s supplement then I would feed DMG. Heck if I was a barrel racer period, I would try it on my horse to get the most out of it.
Personally, I cannot stand red cell. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | readytorodeo - 2015-10-12 4:50 AM I would go with Blue Bonnet Sr Intensify. Add rice bran, mega cell from MV veterinary products and Alfalfa. I would also try the Cur Ost Total E Q supplement.
I have to ask what your thinking is on this one? BB Sr has no reason to need rice bran added and already contains everything that Mega Cell would be adding as well.
...and do you realize what that recipe would cost per day? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | When I cut processed feeds out, my mare is firing harder. She has always been level headed, but she is even more level headed and focused than before. I never thought she looked bad before but she looks even better now. I also have her on Cur-OST Total and Immune as well.
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Location: Beggs, OK | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-12 8:57 AM readytorodeo - 2015-10-12 4:50 AM I would go with Blue Bonnet Sr Intensify. Add rice bran, mega cell from MV veterinary products and Alfalfa. I would also try the Cur Ost Total E Q supplement. I have to ask what your thinking is on this one? BB Sr has no reason to need rice bran added and already contains everything that Mega Cell would be adding as well.
...and do you realize what that recipe would cost per day?
Bluebonnet Intensify Sr - $6.30/day for 1,000# horse @ 1.5%
Max E Glo - Rice Bran Supplemeent - $0.63/day for 1# as recommended for a horse in training
Mega Cell - $0.53/day at a rate of 2oz for a 1,000# horse
CurOst Total Support - $4.02/day as recommended
Total - $11.48/day per horse
Also, I have to question the Mega Cell completely...not only does BB Sr have the yeast cultures, vitamins, etc added, this also goes against everything that Dr. Schell believes about probiotics and enzymes within the digestive system, doesn't it?
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Location: Beggs, OK | tin can - 2015-10-12 6:21 AM Rachelynn80 would you let us know your recipe. I'd love to have a good mix. I live in an area where it's mostly cattle.ive been feeding triple crown complete.there flax supplement, and platinum performance cj and equiprides lick tubs orchard grass hay and a salt block, not sure if it's just overkill.
That does seem like a LOT... I would have to sit down and look over the nutritional information on all of those products and I feel certain that you could eliminate a lot of expense.
After the feed contamination ordeal back in January, we had switched our horses to Bluebonnet feeds because they seemed the safest of all of our choices. At that time I still had the mindset like everyone else that horses needed a concentrated feed to have the energy they needed to perform. I was approached about trying Omnis Complete Performance Cubes and hesitantly put one of my horses on them as a complete ration to try them out....That was April of this year.
A couple of months ago we decided to cut out the Bluebonnet Omega Force that we were feeding my daughter's little mare and since then she has gotten stronger, more focused, and is firing harder than she ever has before. I don't know the science behind the change, I can only attest to the results that we have seen. Now, all of our horses are on them and we are no longer feeding any concentrated feeds. We will feed oats if there is a need to mix in medications.
I know that at this time Omnis is not available to everyone, but the idea behind it is based on whole, natural foods. Alfalfa hay, whole oats, and whole flax seeds are available just about anywhere. The biggest challenge that we had was getting the horses digestive systems healed and functioning properly again so that they could utilize the nutrition that we were giving them. If you find yourself constantly looking for a fat supplement, ulcer meds, EPM drugs, etc and cannot seem to get your horses looking and feeling the way you want to, chances are you have gut inflammation from the diet that they are currently on and it won't matter what you feed them until you get this issue resolved....If they can't process it, they won't look any better. |
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| I am interested what those not feeding processed feeds are feeding? It really makes sense to me...I feel 1000x better since I quit eating bread/processed foods too!
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| I am feeding Omni cubes and free choice grass hay along with 4-6 hours of turnout on grass and one is on Cur-Ost Total and the other 3 are on THE Performance mix. The changes I have seen so far are more focus when riding/handling, slower eating time, no spilling their feed tubs, no fighting during feeding time and at the same time my gelding who always just trudged at the walk, is now walking with a swing through out his body  and is striding out better in his trot and his lope transitions are much better. He is much calmer, also. They just have an over all better attitude and seem happier and calmer. |
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Location: West Texas | My opinion and answer:
Everything but pasture is of course processed in some way. To me, byproducts are more of the issue, because they are just part of the nutrient base, of the source. Although, not all processing or even byproduct is necessarily bad. It's really a case-by-case ingredient basis, and personal thought process and preference is involved. For example, hay is processed forage, and cubes are processed hay. In this situation, cubes are more processed, but they are in large made better by processing. However, some things are not improved by processing, because nutrients are lost. This comes full circle when you take 10 byproduct derived ingredients and combine them. Many of the ingredients have oxidized and been stripped of nutrients and thus added back through mineral packs.
In the end, I think the biggest concern for me is quality of ingredients and total nutrient properties beyond simply energy, in the form of crude protein, carbohydrates, and fat. What I see in commercially concentrate feeds are more lower quality ingredients and less higher quality ingredients, most of them generally deriving from highly processed byproduct sources. This has shown in cost, health, and performance to be in total outclassed by high quality, high percentage forage based, and more wholly sourced ingredients, making up the majority, if not all ,of the aggregated ration.
There are always more than one way to skin a cat. There is always one overiding factor in a complete healthy ration (in my opinion and experience), top quality forage, in whatever form being the majority of total diet.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | lopnaround - 2015-10-12 10:02 AM I am interested what those not feeding processed feeds are feeding? It really makes sense to me...I feel 1000x better since I quit eating bread/processed foods too!
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Location: North Dakota | To the OP, if you haven't "changed" anything and the horse is on a little bit of pasture (which I'm not sure what there is in NM but I can imagine) my horses always tend to go down a little this time of years as our pastures tend to really dry up and they are probably getting used harder now than ever so what usually helps them is just bumping up their calories of what they are already on. I may throw out an extra flake of hay or add a little more oats to their bucket-not a lot but a little. One of the things I see people do all the time is feed their horses based off scoops and not weight. Read your feed bag if she is supposed to be able to get 4-6 pounds of feed-weigh it and if she were mine I would feed her the 6 pounds for awhile and see how she does. (or whatever the recommendations are) I know that as a horse owner I have always been one to feed on the low side of things because I'm cheap but have a couple horses that just do better when you feed with your eyes and not your wallet. A lot of times it isn't adding something new it's just increasing what is already available. Plus, you do not risk doubling up on things like yeasts, rice bran, flax that might be in 2 different products. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Animal Element Product X helps one fire better!
Product X is designed to:
Improve strength and delay muscle fatigue
Support muscle recovery after intense training
Improve concentration and reaction time
Support ligament, tendon, and bone strength
Ingredients: Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, Cissus Quadrangularis Extract, Spirulina, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Fenugreek |
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