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 The BHW Book Worm
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| looking to move away from a processed pellet. anyone have some good recipes for a performance horse feed for an average keeper. interested in alfalfa base with oats. all horses have free choice good prairie hay. im on the fly early in the morning so preferably something I don't have to grind and soak.
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| I feed whole oats, a squirt of Noni, 2tsp of Turmeric golden paste (you can google the recipe-it's like homemade cur-ost), 1/2 cup milled flax, and quality mineral. Every other month I do 2tbsp of liquid chlorophyll/day to cleanse his blood and keep him healthy (recon by live blood analysis lady). My horse is on pasture, and gets once flake of grass hay twice daily as we're almost out of grass... That will obviously increase once the snow flies. My horse has been running better than he has in a long time (3 years to be exact) since I started him on this almost 3 months ago, and he's absolutely glowing even with his winter coat coming in. |
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The BHW Book Worm
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| keep them coming guys about to go to the feed store to replenish the bins for the month! |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want. |
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The BHW Book Worm
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| I would really like to feed like this. were can you buy the best flax for your $$ |
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The BHW Book Worm
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM
Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want.Â
do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you? |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Thistle2011 - 2015-10-19 3:16 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want. do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you?
The Renew Gold doesn't have any added vitamins/minerals since it isn't a "complete" feed. Initially I was buying the Progressive Nutrition grass balancer to go with the stuff I listed above, but I'm finishing out my supply and not getting any more. The more research I do, the more it points to synthetic vitamins that you find in most supplements aren't absorbed well and basically a waste of money. As long as everything you're feeding is good quality you shouldn't need any supplements. There might be some exceptions if the land in your area is deficient in something like selenium for example. |
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  Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Back when I was feeding grains, I fed half & half oats and barley, hard keepers got a little cracked corn with it. I fed a cup each of soybean meal and ground flax, a general loose mineral mix, and Alf cubes, grass hay. Everyone looked good and had tons of energy. When straight grains went to $17 a bag and 10% all grain was $12, I want to the all grain -a lot cheaper when you have as many as we do. |
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Location: North Dakota | Check with your feed mill for the flax....You might be able to buy it whole in a 50 pound sack. I buy it rolled in a 50 pound bag but I feed 5 horses and it doesn't get rancid the way I store it. Sometimes I buy the whole in the summer if I worry about rancidity. I paid $25 for a 50 pound bag last week so even if you have to throw half the bag away it really is probably the cheapest form if you can get it. Put it in the freezer if you have freezer space. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Thistle2011 - 2015-10-19 3:16 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want. do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you?
This is my feed program, however, I have redmond mineral/salt rocks out for the horses. If my hay quality is not top quality I see them using the rocks more.
I have mares, babies and hauling horses on this diet. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | 1,200 # whole oats
300# cracked corn
200# High protein Soybean meal
100 # Molassis
100 # Alfalfa pellets
50# Bran
20# mineral
15# Vitamins
32# Soy oil ( fat )
100# Beet shreds
20# trace mineral salt
6# feeding lime ( same as us eating a Tums )
They are on a 50 % grass and 50 % alfalfa pasture 24/7
They get 2.5 # per feeding 2 times a day.
This is $ 410.00 a ton bagged at my local feed mill.
You could tweek the ingrediance if you want.
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Location: Willows, CA | Thistle2011 - 2015-10-19 3:16 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM
Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want.Â
do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you?
As to Vitamins in Renew Gold. It is a very significant source of needed Fat Soluble Vitamins. These are naturally occurring in our ingredients, not added synthetics, so we do not list that on the ingredient list. As to water soluble vitamins, in the vast majority of diets a horse will make what it needs IF it has a normal functioning hind gut. This is not the case with high grain based feeds if more that a pound or two is fed per feeding. If you want to feed grain based concentrates, please break them up to as many feedings per day as possible. This allows more of the starches and sugars to be broken down higher in the digestive system. This, in turn, helps avoid a disruption to hind gut function and the production of water soluble vitamins that occurs there if working normally.
Edited by winwillows 2015-10-19 7:01 PM
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The Advice Guru
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| Flax looses a lot of nutrients once ground and exposed to air. Also if it isn't cold pressed it can go rancid fast.
Things to consider
What are you wanting the feed to do?
To extend the hay?
Provide additional nourishment?
Provide additional fat?
Provide additional calories?
What type of horse are you feeding?
Under a year?
Under 3 yrs?
Mature pasture pet?
2-4 yrs and in training?
Competitive horse?
Easy keeper?
Ulcer prone?
Insulin resistant?
Brood mare?
I have different ages of horses, and their feed program varies depending on the above.
My horses get hay or pasture 24/7
For grain
I start out with
Oats, 1-3 lbs depending on the body condition of the horse
1 cup of whole flax, as the reading in nutrition text books say horses get the same nutrient value whole versus cold pressed flax.
Oil 60 ml, I use canola, yes it has the wrong omega ratio, but the flax does correct for this.
Pineapple juice 60-100 ml, this is to prevent cough, and helps them eat their feed when I have to medicate.
If I have to add excess calories, I like to add whole barley, and soak it over night.
I will add red cell if they are lethargic
If they are ulcer prone, I will add papaya puréed, and treat for ulcers for 30 days, then a probiotic for 30 days, then back to the above.
If I am concerned about joints, I give Lubrysin, I am still toying with the idea of adding a powder joint preventative. I focus on prevention. Someone posted literature showing administering powdered joint supplements decreased the incidence of joint problems later on, if administered before any breakdown occurred.
I have started giving turmeric to a few of my horses, to see if I notice any difference |
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The BHW Book Worm
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| Ok here we go we are starting out with (daily split in 2 feedings)
41/2 lb alfalfa pellets
1 lb whole oats
1 lb renew gold
3/4 cup whole flax
Forco
Free choice good prairie hay
Free choice Redmond
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Location: SW MO | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM
Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want.Â
I didn't think horses could process whole flax seed???? I thought it just passed through them unless you ground it |
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Red Bull Agressive
Posts: 5981
Location: North Dakota | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-10-19 3:51 PM Thistle2011 - 2015-10-19 3:16 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want. do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you?
I have mares, babies and hauling horses on this diet.
Oh yes that is a good idea to have the rocks out. I have them as well but my horse never uses his. I guess he's getting all he needs.  |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | crossspur - 2015-10-20 8:37 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want. I didn't think horses could process whole flax seed???? I thought it just passed through them unless you ground it
It is widely believed that they can't process whole flax but per the research I've seen that has been proven false. As long as your horse has normal teeth he will have no trouble with whole flax. And it won't go rancid on you which is good.  |
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Experienced Mouse Trapper
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Location: North Dakota | This is my opinion only and from my experience only, but my horses look better when they get their cup of feed mill rolled flax...not cold pressed not whole. Cold pressed is expensive and whole sticks to their nose and they loose about a tablespoon per feeding. Keep in mind I have 5 horses so I can go through a large sack of rolled flax pretty quickly. If I didn't have that many horses I would put half that bag in the deep freeze to keep if better longer. I've fed different things over the years-many different things and the one thing I will NEVER go without for my guys is their flax and I prefer it cheap and ground which is easiest for me and I think better for them. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | LMS - 2015-10-20 9:15 AM This is my opinion only and from my experience only, but my horses look better when they get their cup of feed mill rolled flax...not cold pressed not whole. Cold pressed is expensive and whole sticks to their nose and they loose about a tablespoon per feeding. Keep in mind I have 5 horses so I can go through a large sack of rolled flax pretty quickly. If I didn't have that many horses I would put half that bag in the deep freeze to keep if better longer. I've fed different things over the years-many different things and the one thing I will NEVER go without for my guys is their flax and I prefer it cheap and ground which is easiest for me and I think better for them.
Yeah, if you can get through a bag of rolled quickly then it's not much of an issue. I am down to one horse so it takes a long time to get through a bag. Personally I've never had issues with them not finishing flax or getting it stuck to their nose. But because of how impossible it is to get around here I prefer the flax supplement from Smartpak. My horse cleans it up and it's more concentrated then whole or rolled flax. |
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Red Bull Agressive
Posts: 5981
Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2015-10-19 6:58 PM Thistle2011 - 2015-10-19 3:16 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-10-19 2:52 PM Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with whole oats, alfalfa in some form, whole flax seeds (or stabilized ground flax), and an optional fat supplement such as Renew Gold or rice bran. Simple to feed, I don't know any horses that won't eat it, and you can play with the amounts of each ingredient to get the right balance to keep your horse in good condition.
I like
2-4lbs oats
4-6 lbs alfalfa
I feed SmartOmega3 from smartpak but you could do 1/2-1 cup whole flax
1/2-1lb Renew Gold
As much grass/grass hay as they want.
And the above list is split into 2 feedings.
do you feed a vit/min or does renew gold do that for you? As to Vitamins in Renew Gold. It is a very significant source of needed Fat Soluble Vitamins. These are naturally occurring in our ingredients, not added synthetics, so we do not list that on the ingredient list. As to water soluble vitamins, in the vast majority of diets a horse will make what it needs IF it has a normal functioning hind gut. This is not the case with high grain based feeds if more that a pound or two is fed per feeding. If you want to feed grain based concentrates, please break them up to as many feedings per day as possible. This allows more of the starches and sugars to be broken down higher in the digestive system. This, in turn, helps avoid a disruption to hind gut function and the production of water soluble vitamins that occurs there if working normally.
Edited by cavyrunsbarrels 2015-10-20 9:29 AM
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