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| I was unaware that even after purchasing a photograph it was STEALING for me to post that photo online...here, facebook, or otherwise. I have always posed the Watermark pictures of a great photo because it was easy and because I thought that I might be promoting that photographers work, as I usually know most of the photographers personally. I was unaware that if I ever wanted to post my photo online I need to purchase the digital copy as well. NO CLUE. I have been "stealing" for years and years and did't have any idea that's what I was doing. I got accused of stealing the profile picture and several others today...all of which I bought physical photos of....I was very defensive at first until I had it explained to me. Apparently if you buy the physical photo...and later want to put it on the internet for whatever reason you HAVE to go back and repurchase that photos digital rights. I thought that I could just used that physical photo and scan it in and use that....it wouldnt have the watermark...but NO that is STEALING also. So. I'm sorry if my picture has offended anyone...chalk it up to my ignorance. I will have it changed by the end of the day....after I go back and purchase the digital rights to it.
As competitors I am not sure what rights WE have....I guess maybe we sign a disclosure at barrel races when we enter...I dont read the fine print on entry forms. And maybe we do the same thing when we fill out rodeo memberships....I dont know....maybe someone on here could explain what rights we have as competitors to have someone take our picture and post it on their webpage "without or permission" granted we havent inadvertently given it without knowing. |
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| Lots of people do this and many are unaware that just because you purchase a photo, you are not actually buying the rights to it.
In a nutshell, if you are in a "public place" anyone can take your picture unless it is posted somewhere that you can't. The photographer then owns the rights to that photo unless you buy them. Buying a copy is not the same as buying the rights.
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Location: Northwest Florida | I have heard many times of photographers getting upset over seeing their watermarked images used. I have however purchased hard copy images, then taken a photo of them on my cell phone to put on facebook, etc. I suppose that is considered stealing, since I made a "digital copy" of the hard copy image I purchased? (although obviously much lower quality) I'm not too sure on that.
A circuit I used to run in had some trouble with what you're talking about- photographers posting photos of people without their permission. The man had a photography business with Facebook as his main platform. He would take photos and post them to the association's page the next day, tagging those that he was friends with, too. Trouble was, these weren't your normal riding/action shots. Most of them were so zoomed in on rider's chest/face you couldn't even see the horses we were riding. After many complaints, they tried to ban him, but it apparently cannot be done. By participating in the public event, you subject yourself to photos being taken of you. At least that's what we were told. The most we could do was remove him from the facebook page and our personal pages, but he continued to take his pictures for some time. |
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| Glad you posted this because I didn't know this either. It is plain you meant no harm though.
Once again, I am learning new things because of BHW. Thanks, Motivated! |
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Location: MD | In the age of technology you think if a photographer would mention that during some point of the sale. I also didn't know this and have purchased many photos in my lifetime. That would encourage me to spend more and do right by the photographer. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display. |
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Location: Kentucky | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-27 3:28 PM
If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display.
Exactly. I've paid up to $40 for a picture. I'll do with it what I please. |
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| I understand the frustration however there are copyright laws that protect the photographer.
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| BigStarBound - 2015-10-27 2:23 PM I have heard many times of photographers getting upset over seeing their watermarked images used. I have however purchased hard copy images, then taken a photo of them on my cell phone to put on facebook, etc. I suppose that is considered stealing, since I made a "digital copy" of the hard copy image I purchased? (although obviously much lower quality) I'm not too sure on that. A circuit I used to run in had some trouble with what you're talking about- photographers posting photos of people without their permission. The man had a photography business with Facebook as his main platform. He would take photos and post them to the association's page the next day, tagging those that he was friends with, too. Trouble was, these weren't your normal riding/action shots. Most of them were so zoomed in on rider's chest/face you couldn't even see the horses we were riding. After many complaints, they tried to ban him, but it apparently cannot be done. By participating in the public event, you subject yourself to photos being taken of you. At least that's what we were told. The most we could do was remove him from the facebook page and our personal pages, but he continued to take his pictures for some time.
Yes, as I understand it...by taking a picture of the physical picture in order to post in online you are stealing. Who knew....(i am not a copyright expert) |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Murphy - 2015-10-27 12:29 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-27 3:28 PM If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display. Exactly. I've paid up to $40 for a picture. I'll do with it what I please.
Shoot, I agree. That's ridiculous. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LAC - 2015-10-27 2:31 PM I understand the frustration however there are copyright laws that protect the photographer.
Protecting the photographer from what? Someone seeing on FB that they took a great pic and someone bought it? |
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| I had a photographer comment on my profile pic...on my page...I am assuming to embarass me...and tell me to take it down because I STOLE IT....and I have never stolen anything in my life intentionally. I was so embarrased....mission accomplished. I did screenshot a receipt of my purchase of that photo...explaining that I have PURCHASED it....and was informed that because I didnt buy the digital copy...I was still a theif. LOL...and according to the law...he was right. I was....and it sucks...I have spent the day deleting all my photos on Facebook...with or without watermarks...unless I was sure that they tagged me in that photo and run their business through Facebook. I am sad...I dont have any cool pics on there anymore. I am in the process of hunting down the photographers to buy the digital copy so that I dont have to worry about my name getting "slandered" as a theif....however unintentional. I have had conversations with three photographers today apologising for it....and asking for digital links. What a mess...
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 1:10 PM I was unaware that even after purchasing a photograph it was STEALING for me to post that photo online...here, facebook, or otherwise. I have always posed the Watermark pictures of a great photo because it was easy and because I thought that I might be promoting that photographers work, as I usually know most of the photographers personally. I was unaware that if I ever wanted to post my photo online I need to purchase the digital copy as well. NO CLUE. I have been "stealing" for years and years and did't have any idea that's what I was doing. I got accused of stealing the profile picture and several others today...all of which I bought physical photos of....I was very defensive at first until I had it explained to me. Apparently if you buy the physical photo...and later want to put it on the internet for whatever reason you HAVE to go back and repurchase that photos digital rights. I thought that I could just used that physical photo and scan it in and use that....it wouldnt have the watermark...but NO that is STEALING also. So. I'm sorry if my picture has offended anyone...chalk it up to my ignorance. I will have it changed by the end of the day....after I go back and purchase the digital rights to it.
As competitors I am not sure what rights WE have....I guess maybe we sign a disclosure at barrel races when we enter...I dont read the fine print on entry forms. And maybe we do the same thing when we fill out rodeo memberships....I dont know....maybe someone on here could explain what rights we have as competitors to have someone take our picture and post it on their webpage "without or permission" granted we havent inadvertently given it without knowing.
I have always called the photographer and asked them to be able to use them. Never been told no yet. I explain that they are stallion/offspring photos and I would love to be able to share them on facebook and my website. I always post a mention of the photographer if it isn't already stamped on the photo. |
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| If you post a picture to your facebook page, and someone else takes that picture and uses it for profit like advertising then the photographer looses out on any income he could have made. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ~BINGO~ - 2015-10-27 2:32 PM Murphy - 2015-10-27 12:29 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-27 3:28 PM If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display. Exactly. I've paid up to $40 for a picture. I'll do with it what I please.
I feel the same way....it is a bunch of BULL PUCKY to enable a photographer to squeeze more money out of you......I would BOYCOTT any photographer who told me that I had to give them more money for a picture that I PAID FOR and was using for my own personal use. So SUE ME !!!! |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-27 2:39 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 1:10 PM I was unaware that even after purchasing a photograph it was STEALING for me to post that photo online...here, facebook, or otherwise. I have always posed the Watermark pictures of a great photo because it was easy and because I thought that I might be promoting that photographers work, as I usually know most of the photographers personally. I was unaware that if I ever wanted to post my photo online I need to purchase the digital copy as well. NO CLUE. I have been "stealing" for years and years and did't have any idea that's what I was doing. I got accused of stealing the profile picture and several others today...all of which I bought physical photos of....I was very defensive at first until I had it explained to me. Apparently if you buy the physical photo...and later want to put it on the internet for whatever reason you HAVE to go back and repurchase that photos digital rights. I thought that I could just used that physical photo and scan it in and use that....it wouldnt have the watermark...but NO that is STEALING also. So. I'm sorry if my picture has offended anyone...chalk it up to my ignorance. I will have it changed by the end of the day....after I go back and purchase the digital rights to it.
As competitors I am not sure what rights WE have....I guess maybe we sign a disclosure at barrel races when we enter...I dont read the fine print on entry forms. And maybe we do the same thing when we fill out rodeo memberships....I dont know....maybe someone on here could explain what rights we have as competitors to have someone take our picture and post it on their webpage "without or permission" granted we havent inadvertently given it without knowing. I have always called the photographer and asked them to be able to use them. Never been told no yet. I explain that they are stallion/offspring photos and I would love to be able to share them on facebook and my website. I always post a mention of the photographer if it isn't already stamped on the photo.
I hear ya, I havent ever had any trouble....but most of them are my friends. These few I dont know. One was a PRCA rodeo photographer, the other was a "new" photographer that I hadnt ever purchased from. Another is a photographer that I know and always buy from...but never "asked" |
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Location: SE Louisiana | LAC - 2015-10-27 2:31 PM
I understand the frustration however there are copyright laws that protect the photographer.
Do you not have to have it written down? Something to notify people it is copyrighted? Can you just SAY it is or do you actually have to DO it? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | If it has watermarks, I agree - stealing, no watermarks, and I have a copy I purchased, it is mine.
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| "POOR MAN'S COPYRIGHT
Copyright laws in the United States do not require that creative works to be registered in order to have copyright protection. Even though it is highly recommended to register all creative works, copyright laws grant protection to creative works upon their inception or creation. A Poor Man's Copyright is an alternative to registering a copyright and provides for a legal document establishing the creation of a created work as the sole property of the author or creator. "
http://copyright.laws.com/copyright-law
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