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Location: So. California | Reading the "who should I breed to" posts and considering that the breeding season is fast approaching - what is your key criteria? So many stallion options, what are you must have's when picking a stallion for your mare? Let's say that great conformation is a given across the board, what else is on your check list? What are your top 3 of these? |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | LOL ... even I had to vote to see the results!  |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Bump |
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 Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | I am suprised to see the least important is limited bookings. A good sire who will only accept x amount of mares a year will have better resell value on the foals rather then one who will take 200 mares every year. Simple supply and demand. When they are on every street corner, they immediately arent so special anymore and if you price your's at x amount. gauranteed someone, or 10 someones will price their's less. Prices go down down down just trying to competitively sell. |
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| STALLION MUST HAVES TO BREED YOUR MARE ..
MARE performance record (track)
MARE performance record (barrels)
Progeny performance record
Future Fortunes progeny
MARE has won barrel racing incentives
SUCCESSFUL Sire line in pedigree
SUCCESSFUL Dam line in pedigree
5 panel testing results - published
Percentage of performance foals that are competing
Quick maturing for futurities
Multiple event option for foal (ie barrels and/or roping)
Temperament of MARE
Temperament of progeny
Limited available breedings .. NO ET'S
MARE owner that has some horse sense
Resell value as a foal
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | BARRELHORSE USA,
I've always wondered what the criteria for stallion owners were and how often they stuck to their requirements.
Are you 100% set on this criteria, wherein all boxes have to be checked?
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Location: Oklahoma | I think it is all personal. It really depends what your goals as a mare owner are. I own a stallion. I've picked 2 mares that I feel compliment what I would want to improve on him. I am expecting his first foals in 2016. There is no set protocol on what is good/bad/ugly. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-11-02 12:13 PM
BARRELHORSEÂ USA,Â
I've always wondered what the criteria for stallion owners were and how often they stuck to their requirements. Â
Are you 100% set on this criteria, wherein all boxes have to be checked?
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That is my dry Texas humor list for mare requirements ... since mare owners can be so ridiculous when selecting a stallion for their mare ...
Look at your most famous successful sires .. almost none of them were barrel burners but their genes could upgrade a mare to have good characteristics added to her foal ... which is the intention of most stallion owners ..
Here is one of my foals as an example to bring the bloodlines of the sires dam and mares dam together to enhance the genes of Dash Ta Fame in the foal ...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/intent+ta+streak
And here is an example of building a pedigree's depth with successful barrelhorse families to set the genes to give you specialized characteristics out of a larger gene pool than just a son of such and such ... and at the same time continue to add speed to the overall genes of a stallion ... you will see this indepth breeding more and more as barrel stallions become more specialized in the future ... keep in mind it takes a generation to add different bloodlines to a pedigree and years of focused effort ... you get a more consistent gene pool to cross over to a foal out of your mare with barrel horse characteristics ...
CAN CHASIN COUGAR
(standing in Missouri and has a FB page with more pictures)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/can+chasin+cougar
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-11-02 2:09 PM
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-11-01 7:34 AM I am suprised to see the least important is limited bookings. A good sire who will only accept x amount of mares a year will have better resell value on the foals rather then one who will take 200 mares every year. Simple supply and demand. When they are on every street corner, they immediately arent so special anymore and if you price your's at x amount. gauranteed someone, or 10 someones will price their's less. Prices go down down down just trying to competitively sell.
Totally agree.. Im not sure why people don't think this important. |
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| outrundaizy - 2015-11-02 2:03 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-11-01 7:34 AM I am suprised to see the least important is limited bookings. A good sire who will only accept x amount of mares a year will have better resell value on the foals rather then one who will take 200 mares every year. Simple supply and demand. When they are on every street corner, they immediately arent so special anymore and if you price your's at x amount. gauranteed someone, or 10 someones will price their's less. Prices go down down down just trying to competitively sell.
Totally agree.. Im not sure why people don't think this important.Â
Very few barrel stallions breed a large number of mares each year to create the problem you are stating ... there are almost more stallions available to breed to vs mares to be bred ...
The secret here is to have a well bred, producing mare with performance records and well known bloodlines to enhance the price you think your foal deserves ...
It is always interesting to watch people buy or have mares with common bloodlines expect to get a barrel burner baby when breeding to the stallion of their choice. If you want marketable babies the mare has to be equal or add speed or other characteristics to enhance the overall quality of a foal ... from any stallion you may breed to ..
Speed is the easiest characteristic to lose when breeding horses ...... Look at your large ranches broodmare bands .. they are constantly adding speed bred mares or stallions to enhance the speed and maintain the size of their foals ...
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | outrundaizy - 2015-11-02 2:03 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-11-01 7:34 AM I am suprised to see the least important is limited bookings. A good sire who will only accept x amount of mares a year will have better resell value on the foals rather then one who will take 200 mares every year. Simple supply and demand. When they are on every street corner, they immediately arent so special anymore and if you price your's at x amount. gauranteed someone, or 10 someones will price their's less. Prices go down down down just trying to competitively sell.
Totally agree.. Im not sure why people don't think this important.Â
I don't find it too important...but please know that I'm not in it for the resale value. I will have a SBD foal in 2017 that I do not plan on selling.
The top thing for me was wanting a stallion that had proven himself in the pen.... The only way I really predict selling the horse would be if he become a 1D winning machine and I would get my money many times over. This isn't a business decision to me, just a hobby and not how I make my bread and butter. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Just to clear up Slick By Design, because I love him and also bred to him... I think a lot of you think he's bred more mares than he has.
2013 crop: 5 foals
2014 crop: 21 foals
2015 crop: 51 foals
He is nowhere near covering too many mares. It's not bad for a stallion to have a book of about 100 mares. And like someone already said, most barrel stallions don't get near that anyway. |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Here's ASOF:
A STREAK OF FLING
Sire All Foals
989
Sire All Foals for 2005 Crop Year
84
Sire All Foals for 2006 Crop Year
83
Sire All Foals for 2007 Crop Year
108
Sire All Foals for 2008 Crop Year
81
Sire All Foals for 2009 Crop Year
85
Sire All Foals for 2010 Crop Year
71
Sire All Foals for 2011 Crop Year
67
Sire All Foals for 2012 Crop Year
76
Sire All Foals for 2013 Crop Year
120
Sire All Foals for 2014 Crop Year
160
Sire All Foals for 2015 Crop Year
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Location: Kentucky | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-11-02 2:56 PM
Anniemae - 2015-11-02 12:13 PM
BARRELHORSEÂ USA,Â
I've always wondered what the criteria for stallion owners were and how often they stuck to their requirements. Â
Are you 100% set on this criteria, wherein all boxes have to be checked?
Â
That is my dry Texas humor list for mare requirements ... since mare owners can be so ridiculous when selecting a stallion for their mare ...
Look at your most famous successful sires .. almost none of them were barrel burners but their genes could upgrade a mare to have good characteristics added to her foal ... which is the intention of most stallion owners ..
Here is one of my foals as an example to bring the bloodlines of the sires dam and mares dam together to enhance the genes of Dash Ta Fame in the foal ...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/intent+ta+streak
And here is an example of building a pedigree's depth with successful barrelhorse families to set the genes to give you specialized characteristics out of a larger gene pool than just a son of such and such ... and at the same time continue to add speed to the overall genes of a stallion ... you will see this indepth breeding more and more as barrel stallions become more specialized in the future ... keep in mind it takes a generation to add different bloodlines to a pedigree and years of focused effort ... you get a more consistent gene pool to cross over to a foal out of your mare with barrel horse characteristics ...
CAN CHASIN COUGAR
(standing in Missouri and has a FB page with more pictures )
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/can+chasin+cougar
Of course I am going to be "ridiculous" when it comes to selecting a stallion for my mare. There are so many to choose from, why wouldn't we?
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 Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | casualdust07 - 2015-11-03 9:00 AM Just to clear up Slick By Design, because I love him and also bred to him... I think a lot of you think he's bred more mares than he has. 2013 crop: 5 foals 2014 crop: 21 foals 2015 crop: 51 foals He is nowhere near covering too many mares. It's not bad for a stallion to have a book of about 100 mares. And like someone already said, most barrel stallions don't get near that anyway.
Did you get this off AQHA as the number of registered foals so far?
If so, many, many people wait until the last moment to register, even a couple of years. And, the AQHA web site right now is a mess.
I would venture to say those numbers are not correct. But, that is my opinion. |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | 3canstorun - 2015-11-03 8:17 AM
casualdust07 - 2015-11-03 9:00 AM Just to clear up Slick By Design, because I love him and also bred to him... I think a lot of you think he's bred more mares than he has. 2013 crop: 5 foals 2014 crop: 21 foals 2015 crop: 51 foals He is nowhere near covering too many mares. It's not bad for a stallion to have a book of about 100 mares. And like someone already said, most barrel stallions don't get near that anyway.
Did you get this off AQHA as the number of registered foals so far? Â
If so, many, many people wait until the last moment to register, even a couple of years. And, the AQHA web site right now is a mess. Â
I would venture to say those numbers are not correct. But, that is my opinion.Â
Yep, and I know that it changes. But I don't see the numbers doubling by any means at all. Sure, they will change some. But I keep track of a lot of them based on AQHA records and none of them have really made a staggering jump. Increase, yes, but nothing logarithmic. |
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