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| I purchased a 3 year old that was just kinda turned out to take care of himself. I sent him to a professional to break him out and 90 days later he is still not what I would be consider broke for me to start riding. Has anyone every experience this with an colt? Frustrated at this point!! 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chasem - 2015-11-24 12:55 PM I purchased a 3 year old that was just kinda turned out to take care of himself. I sent him to a professional to break him out and 90 days later he is still not what I would be consider broke for me to start riding. Has anyone every experience this with an colt? Frustrated at this point!!
How experience are you at riding a young horse, maybe hes broke better then you think he is? |
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Location: Kansas | what's your idea of how broke he should be at 90 days? |
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Location: North Dakota | Chasem - 2015-11-24 12:55 PM I purchased a 3 year old that was just kinda turned out to take care of himself. I sent him to a professional to break him out and 90 days later he is still not what I would be consider broke for me to start riding. Has anyone every experience this with an colt? Frustrated at this point!!
So it sounds like he was an UNTOUCHED 3-year-old?
The untouched ones take a lot longer to get going. For some horses, 90 days may not be enough.
Have you checked in with the progress of the colt at least every month?
Did you have a discussion with the trainer about what you expected to have after 90 days? |
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| This happens all the time. I used one guy and after ten days of not hearing from him, I went and picked the horse up. I was not happy. Since then I have heard some horrible stories about said trainer. The guy I use now rides the heck out of them but doesn't do anything fancy that my barrel trainer has to undo. She likes that.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I've broke a lot of Colts and worked a lot of problem horses. Every horse is different. I've had some that you would swear they were broke the first ride out. Then I have had some that even with 60 days of ground work and 60 days of riding 4-5 days a week I wouldn't trust out of the pen.
Depends too on what your definition of broke is. I've seen some many people would call broke because they don't buck or spook that I wouldn't get on because they're not following their face. Then others that were following their face & light but they're a little spooky and people say they're not broke.
On a horse that isn't easy, 90 days isn't a whole lot if you don't want them looking and you want them doing everything. |
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| If the horse is "untouched" I could see why he may not be further along. I took in an untouched 4 year old this summer, I spent 45 days just working on tying, desenatizing, saddling, etc... and I worked him EVERY day.... for hours.
And I guess it depends on what you had in mind for brokeness. |
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| stayceem - 2015-11-24 1:45 PM
If the horse is "untouched" I could see why he may not be further along. I took in an untouched 4 year old this summer, I spent 45 days just working on tying, desenatizing, saddling, etc... and I worked him EVERY day.... for hours.
And I guess it depends on what you had in mind for brokeness.
Yep. There's a lot of work that goes into gettng one ready to step on - if you want it done correctly. |
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Location: California | We sent one with all its ground work out. In 90 days the horse had 5 rides. $750/month and pretty much no progress. He is now at another trainer and isn't making any progress there either. I'm pretty sure this trainer is scared of him so we are bring him home. Now we have zero idea who to send him to. |
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| The trainer has done a good job. The first 30 days was just trying to get him calmed down enough to handle. He is riding him, but he had to give him something to help calm him down. He is learning, but still a little dangerous. I am a good rider and ride a lot of colts, but to old to break them these days. I normal can go with them after 45 to 60 days, but this one were not sure if 6 months will get him.
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| 90 days, generally only means 60 days, as most trainers only ride 5 days a week.
Everyone's definition of broke is different. Myself, I don't consider a horse broke till they have atleast a year on them, as they are still unpredictable.
The questions one must ask yourself before you send a horse to any trainer
What has the trainer done
What is their speciality, is it to get them safe, rope off of them, teach them the buttons
How often does the trainer ride the horse, what does their program consist of
Have you seen horses they have rode, did you ask how many rides the horse had on
How did you find out about the person, word of mouth, or advertisements
Did the trainer guarantee anything
What is your experience level
Do you ride similarly to the trainer, (this is a big one, if you ride opposite, then it is very confusing for the horse)
Did you watch the trainer ride the horse when you picked him up
Did you ride the horse at the trainers
Also does the trainers program fit the temperament of the horse.
I just read the comment above I will not let a trainer drug a horse period, I will find a different trainer with a different program.
I had one at a trainer, highly respected, for 3 months got a call to pick her up as she was a dirty bucker. Sent her to an English trainer, 2 months later, she is an amazing mare, no buck, still trying to get her to free up a little, but nicely started, almost ready to be put on barrels
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| You need my trainer. I sent my colt on the 19 of Sep paid him for one month and he has not come home yet because the trainer doesn't think he is ready for me. I have not paid him anymore money but I have tried. He said when I dropped him off he would send him home broke and that is what he is sticking to. He didn't even climb on him for 21 days. Wanted the ground work to be solid before he rode him. He is has worked him on cattle hauled him to sale barns and worked him in feedlots. Needless to say I love my trainer and he is only 27 so he will be around a long time to work many colts. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Some of the replies are shocking. My husband and I put 30 days on a rancher's colts for several yrs. None of them were handled when we got them at 2-3 yrs old. They had 30 rides when they went home and that was usually within 45 days time. You aren't making any money if you keep them much longer. The trick is to ACTUALLY work with them. We did a couple days of ground work and not just 10 mintues either. Before they went home you could pick up all 4 feet, they rode in pasture and most had trailed cows. They stood to be saddles and you could step on and ride off. They knew leads, stop and back. Move shoulders, hips and ribs. I can't say any of them loped a perfect circle but that is not something this particular owner ever needed them to do. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Chasem - 2015-11-24 1:07 PM The trainer has done a good job. The first 30 days was just trying to get him calmed down enough to handle. He is riding him, but he had to give him something to help calm him down. He is learning, but still a little dangerous. I am a good rider and ride a lot of colts, but to old to break them these days. I normal can go with them after 45 to 60 days, but this one were not sure if 6 months will get him.
I hate to be the bad guy here, but unless that is your style of horse, I would sell and move on. 30 days to handle one is unreal. I have had plenty of rank boogers come through here and they were generally good to work with on the ground after a week or at most 2, of steady daily work. These days I won't give them a 2nd look. |
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Location: Missouri | Mine had had 90 days professional training and I would not consider him well-broke either.
When he is ridden every day at the trainer's, he's great. Super broke. At home with me, not so much. I ride maybe three times a week and you just can't get away with that with this horse. He will get cold-backed and pulls all sorts of stunts to get out of work.
So, yes, I understand and sympathize. It's no one's fault, just the way it is. If I were in a hurry, I'd sell him for something easier.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whats he not doing that you wanted done on him? Maybe he needed to stay with the person that broke him longer so they could put some more miles on him, if this trainer had to start from the ground up with this horse its going to take longer then 90 days for one to get a handle on. Was this horse halter broke, could he tie? Theres alot of factors thats gos with a horse at this age. |
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Location: Deep South | Chasem - 2015-11-24 2:07 PM
The trainer has done a good job. The first 30 days was just trying to get him calmed down enough to handle. He is riding him, but he had to give him something to help calm him down. He is learning, but still a little dangerous. I am a good rider and ride a lot of colts, but to old to break them these days. I normal can go with them after 45 to 60 days, but this one were not sure if 6 months will get him.
If he were mine I would send him down the road. Too many nice ones out there to waste time on one like this.
I start colts for people. I just had to call a client last night and tell them the same thing.
I very rarely get one in that bucks. I do my homework on the ground work and at the very most they'll get a little humpy those first couple rides, but I can always pull them around and then go on. But this mare has put me on the ground twice. Second time was after 60 days here. I had round penned her before I ever got on her because the temp just dropped here in the past couple days, I knew she was quirky and wanted to be extra cautious. I had been trotting circles, figure eights, spirals, bending, counter bending for about 10 minutes on her when completely out of nowhere she broke in 2. I couldn't get her head pulled around for anything and she wasn't quitting until she got me off.
She had been just turned out, basically untouched until she was 5 before they brought her to get started. Like your trainer I had spent the first 30 on the ground just getting her calmed down. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I won't waste my time on a dirty bucker like that. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Depends on the colt. Our older colt, bad experience with first trainer, is still being trained. Rides a bit green but isn't bucking. He had close to 9 mos and now is doing day work. He'll have about a year and a half when he gets back. Some just need more time. |
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Location: West Texas | Most horses need about 6 months before they really ride around pretty decent for the average non colt rider, in my opinion. |
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