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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I'm sure this has been talked about, but the search engine is being dumb.
Here's the cross = the dams info is incomplete >.< I didn't know her dams dam lol.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hzhorse
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Anyone? Lol |
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| I like yours. I was running a reiner she is Hollywood Dun It and Poco Bueno so not your typical speed demon. She was a solid 1D horse with in her first 20 days of being on the barrels. She was just so quick in her turns that is helped make up for a lack of a top gear, although she is pretty fast. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Love Col Freckles on top / Doc Bar on bottom. Cow horse deluxe with that big CF stop. Now if there are barrels or not there, who knows but I bet there is a cow horse there. |
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Location: WYOMING | Here is a daughter of Commanders Nic (RIP) I trained. She was a finished reiner. I prefer other disciplines to start as barrel horses, finished reiners are just too broke.
https://youtu.be/-evRsquxaHE
Edited by geronabean 2015-11-30 7:03 PM
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | I have a HDI granddaughter and out of a Just Plain Colonel daughter. She runs and turns like a HDI. She had a bad respiratory infection all summer so I'm excited to see what she can do when I bring her back |
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Location: West Texas | Breeding wise, it is more cow horse than modern reining. With that either type of breeding, some horse can really run and some can't. Being as it is a coming 4 year old, I would think you could try it out and tell what aptitude it has for speed. Hope he turns out for you.
To your broad question about reiners. Many of today's popular breeding can't run much. There are definitely some out there that can. Reiners, I really like Marthas Mega Jac. Same deal really with cowhorses, but as a whole I think they are a little faster. These are all generalities, of course. I just see a lot of reiners that couldn't outrun nothing anymore, but their are still ones out there that sure can.
The horse in the picture looks like he might be able to, but it's hard to tell. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | geronabean - 2015-11-30 6:54 PM
Here is a daughter of Commanders Nic (RIP ) I trained. She was a finished reiner. I prefer other disciplines to start as barrel horses, finished reiners are just too broke.
https://youtu.be/-evRsquxaHE
Okay... that horse could just turn! Holy cow! That was so fun to watch!
I guess I should have really looked at her pedigree. She is cutting bred, owned by a reiner right now and will be started by him.
She isn't broke yet.
Am I looking to be the next NFR girl? Probably not. My goal right now is just to get up to the California Circuit. We have a few mares we are starting and getting the year ready for.
One of our mares most likely needs the rest of this year off (total bummer, I was looking forward to running a frenchmans guy horse that I've been sitting on). It seems like California is mainly saturated with cow blood, which is totally okay with me. I just was curious how one with a reining start would do. Or just in general. I've seen some cow horses really kill it - especially some ladies in AZ.
Edited by Phxbarrel 2015-12-01 11:46 AM
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | She is actually coming 2. I made that all breed in a rush and didnt put her actual date of birth on there lol. It's March 2014. |
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Location: West Texas | Phxbarrel - 2015-12-01 11:43 AM
She is actually coming 2. I made that all breed in a rush and didnt put her actual date of birth on there lol. It's March 2014.
That makes much more sense. Sure looks much more like a 2 year old! But I thought pictures can be deceiving sometimes. Good luck! |
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| I think the bottom side of that pedigree is not right. Freckles Twisted is sired by Twisted Suspense who is sired by Freckles Fancy Twist. It looks like you are missing an entire generation on the dam side. What is this horses registered name? |
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Location: So. California | Is the dam a 2005 or 2006 model? I can fix the pedigree for you. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Yeah the pedigree was wrong. I got a picture of it today and just fixed it right now. I can't read the grand dams parents names - sire is billy bars too and the dam is tengo ____ lil? I can't read it... It's like Tengo Ben Lil or something. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Tdove - 2015-11-30 7:53 PM Breeding wise, it is more cow horse than modern reining. With that either type of breeding, some horse can really run and some can't. Being as it is a coming 4 year old, I would think you could try it out and tell what aptitude it has for speed. Hope he turns out for you. To your broad question about reiners. Many of today's popular breeding can't run much. There are definitely some out there that can. Reiners, I really like Marthas Mega Jac. Same deal really with cowhorses, but as a whole I think they are a little faster. These are all generalities, of course. I just see a lot of reiners that couldn't outrun nothing anymore, but their are still ones out there that sure can. The horse in the picture looks like he might be able to, but it's hard to tell.
I'd wonder about some of the reining bred horses now, when I watch the reinings it seems like they're moving more toward that kinda 4 beat pleasure shuffle gait and their headset is soooo low. I don't like watching it, and I don't know if it's the training or how the horses are built.......but they don't look like something that would be terribly successful on the barrels. (This is a very limited viewpoint, because I only see the big futurites).
On the other hand - watching the cowhorses go - many look like they'd work as barrel horses. They're still doing a true lope when reining and the headset is much more natural. I love watching the reining at the snaffle bit. They do know how to run - just watch one fly down the fence past a cow and turn back.
Do you think the difference is breeding/build or training?
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Location: West Texas | My opinion:
It is mostly the training that you are seeing. There is still some variance in breeding and differences in training and showing styles. As a whole, reiners are getting shorter. Many of them are little butterballs that cannot run a lick. There are definitely others that are very athletic and can really run. I like the way Casey Deary's horses go and show. Much more natural headset and really showcase a horse that is broke. Many people are mislead that reiners are really really broke and have a super handle. Some are, but a big bunch of them really aren't. They are broke and have a great handle for the reining pen, but put into events like Ranch Riding and it shows. Some do well, some do not. Reining is only a few maneuvers and the goal is to show few physical cues. I am not running it down, for what the class is, they are fantastic, but a lot of reining training is really only good for reining.
To me the best handles for functionality are reined cowhorses and ranch riding horses. I like reining breeding and it can be a good outcross on cowhorse or running horse lines. But you have to find the right ones. Here is the one we chose to breed to and now have a yearling stallion, that we hope turns into a stud prospect for us, to cross with cowhorse mares and running mares. Mega Jac is an athlete as you can see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X780dYKscW0
Edited by Tdove 2015-12-02 10:17 AM
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