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| Getting ready to set an appointment for my horse to be scoped for Ulcers. I'm 99% sure he has ulcers as all signs point to it. I've talked with some about treatment and preventing them. I've been told feeding the Coolstance feed helps tremendously. My friend told me that if he indeed has ulcers I need to get rid of him because it is expensive to treat and he'd be nothing but a money pit. I am not doing that. I will not get rid of my horse because he has ulcers. That's not who I am. I just want to know if this is something that will cost me and arm and a leg or? My friend tells me that he will have to be treated with Ulcer meds the rest of his life. I thought you just put him on a treatment course of so many weeks and then change to a proper feed. So if you all can tell me what I should be expecting that would be great! | |
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| Well, considering 90 percent of performance horses have ulcers , if you got rid of them you would be hard pressed to find one that didn't have them. I would suggest doing a search of this forum for treating ulcers. There are topics about it almost weekly on here. Increase forage, treat for them if you have to, and find a nice low stress maintenence approach for controlling them. | |
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| I have off track thoroughbreds and ulcers are always an issue. Alfalfa (just a couple of flakes a day) along with regular hay helps sooth the stomach. For treatment, I order Omeprazole from horseprerace.com, it's just a fraction of the cost and the exact same ingredient. It definitely works and actually heals the ulcers. I recently had horse with terrible ulcers and just 28 days after treating she is great. I purchased extra because if she is going to be in a stressful situation I go ahead and give it to her for the day. | |
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| The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole | |
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| kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 6:50 AM The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole
This^^then take them off grain, have a mainly forage diet. I have not fed grain in years. I feed a couple cups of soaked molasses free beet pulp, alfalfa, 1 cup renew gold am and pm, pasture | |
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Location: NE Texas | I know I sound like a broken record, but firstly take the horse off all processed feeds or grains, as they can contribute to irritation both in the fore and hind gut. I have used omeprazole and ranitidine in the past and had better success with the ranitidine personally, but ulcer medications can be counterproductive long term due to the decrease in acid production in the stomach, which is actually needed for proper digestion and nutrient assimilation. If the horse is unable to utilize what you're feeding them due to the medications, then you're trading one problem for another.
Ulcers are a result of stress on the body. I would suffest using the Cur-OST Adapt & Calm to help the horse manage the stress itself and then add in the Cur-OST Stomach formula as well to help the body heal the ulcers. These products don't block the much needed acid production for proper digestion. There are others here who can provide more information on this combination who have used it to help treat horses who haven't responded to Omeprazole or Ranitidine. They have had great results and have been able to put horses back into competition that had dealt with severe stomach issues. | |
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| Ok... So here is what my plan is... I had already planned on treating with Omeprozole and then putting him on a feed that is for horses with ulcers called Coolstance as mentioned in original post to keep somewhat maintained. I also plann on ordering extra Omeprozole to have for when we haul to shows or stressful situations. He stays turned out on pasture. Only time he is put up is to eat. So Omeprozole treatment to heal, Coolstance which isn't a grain and for horses with ulcers, and hay. | |
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| kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 4:50 AM
The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole
That used to be accepted fact, but there are some vets now that would disagree. Omeprazole is a band aid. If you don't fix the issue that caused them its a viscious cycle. There are non drug remedies that do HEAL ULCERS. THE has scientific proof as well as the makers of Curost products. All proven to HEAL with scopes to prove. Using omeprazole has a whole host of other possible side effects. | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | We all are broken records. We all have something that we feel "works". I'm sure Curost is great. But I also feel that THE GastroPlus is a great product as well. Mine is coming tomorrow, can't wait to start my OTTB on it. | |
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Location: north mississippi | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-04 7:56 AM
kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 6:50 AM The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole
 This^^then take them off grain, have a mainly forage diet.  I have not fed grain in years.  I feed a couple cups of soaked molasses free beet pulp, alfalfa, 1 cup renew gold am and pm, pasture
Do you feed alfalfa pallets or hay? If you feed pallets do you soak them with the beet pulp?
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| I have treated several with ulcergard and had good results but now I have a mare who keep have the issue pop up and becomes very painful. She is on mostly alfalfa hay, I am treating with a low dose of ulcergard using a 1/4 dose per day which has worked well in the past , I just started her on curost stomach and the calm and adapt after a lot of reading and visiting with people. She is not on any grain and hasn't been for a while but I mix the curost with soaked alfalfa pellets for now. I was also told that cayenne pepper works really well so will throw some in the mix. | |
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| Scope, full tube of Ulcergard for 10-15 days. Pull off grain, free choice coastal, plenty of alfalfa. A good product like SmartGI Ultra is well worth it.
I have an anecdote of my own for CurOst products. Flamers are welcome to read it or not, roll their eyes or not, call BS if they want, blah blah blah. I don't care. This stuff has been what I consider a miracle for my young horse.
Sonic:
Sonic is a coming 5 year old. I've owned him since he was a two year old. He was on the track for two runs, and was pulled to finish his growth spurt out, before returning. I caught the owner in need of hay money, so she sold him to me. I had been admiring his calm attitude and wonderful conformation.
Enter my crazy lifestyle: I didn't ride him much his two year old year. I hauled him a good bit, and kept him on grain and free choice hay. The next year, I moved to a pretty stressful (for all of us) place for work. The horses were dry lotted on a round bale, and continued their twice a day grain diet. I didn't have much time for Sonic, he was still eating well, running around with his tail in the air. We moved again. Within a week Sonic was sick. He lost a ton of weight. His eyes were dull. He wasn't eating. I was in communication with my vet, over three hours away. Sonic started to lay down and exhibit colic signs. I got him on the trailer and took him to the equine hospital. This was in April 2014. He was palpated, oiled, ultrasounded, the whole nine yards. No real diagnosis was made, because there was no blockage. When he was scoped, he exhibited terrible ulcers in his stomach. IVs had been started on his arrival. Gastrogard was started. Antibiotics too. Slowly, he pulled out of it. He was in hospital for over two weeks. Vet bill through the roof.
Brought him home. Three days later, back to not eating. Didn't have any Ulcergard on hand (I use a full tube of it rather than Gastrogard, its a wee bit cheaper), so with help from vet friends, hit him with 80 ccs of Maalox to help put the fire out and get him eating again. He was back munching within 3 hours, while I overnighted Ulcergard. Ran a full 30 days of full tube through him, and then went to a daily dosage of Ulcergard. Had him on free choice alfalfa , Ulcergard, Forco, SmartGI Ultra, rice bran, and a small amount of Ultium. He looked like hammered hell.
Anyway, the summer goes on. He regains his body condition, albeit staying slender, but not unheard of for a three year old. In November, he gets sick again. My whole herd contracted some sort of virus. It had everyone else just sort of tired acting with a loose stool. No loss of appetite. They were fine within two days. Sonic was up then laying down. A slight fever. On and off interested in eating. Diarrhea Away to the hospital we went again, for over two weeks again. Gastrogard, antibiotics, IV fluid, my good vet pulled him through again.
Over all this time, I've noticed a few things about Sonic. When his tummy is out of whack, he scrapes his water bucket with his teeth. He also doesn't eat as much, but still eats well. So basically, I just went to letting him live on a daily dose of Gastrogard. It kept him going, happy, and doing just fine, so I thought.
He was at aquatread, when the manager called to say that Sonic was laying down and acting colicy. She zoomed him to the vet, where he was checked out for blockages and oiled. He ended up being just fine, but stayed for a few days to just be on the safe side.
I picked him up, and moved him to our new place. Kept him on Gastrogard the whole time, no problems. Went to a full tube for ten days when he started scraping his water bucket.
Enter Omnis cubes. We had finally moved somewhere where it's easy to get them. I free choiced them to him, and continued Gastrogard in a small daily dose. His body condition started to pick up, and he had self regulated to about 18 lbs a day. He was also on SmartGI Ultra. About a week into the cubes, I pulled him off the Ulcergard to see what would happen. Okay, so far so good.
Then, despite being a complete skeptic, enter: CurOst Stomach, CurOst Adapt, and CurOst Immune. I figured, well, I have a 30 day supply, if I don't see any sort of change, then I can get on BHW and decry the stuff, and actually have leg to stand on.
Well. He'd been on the cubes for about three weeks, with no noticeable change in appetite. It was good, I was pleased. Three days into the full doses of the CurOst voodoo, Sonic, MY Sonic, started eating 25 lbs of cubes a day. 30 days later, he has gained 30 lbs (by the tape). We moved again for my new job in Marshall TX. He hasn't skipped a beat. No bucket chewing, no weight loss. I've changed a lot in his life: I'm riding him almost daily, he's kept up in a stall, and his nemesis in the form of roping steers are here daily as well. Thanks to his feeling better, no grain, etc, he's doing really well. I feel that I have that calm, personable, and very charismatic Sonic back. He has leveled out to an even 24 lbs of cubes a day, and I have added some really good Bermuda hay for him to play in. He's getting 1 lb of stabilized rice bran a day, broken into two feedings, to eat his CurOst in. He slurps it up in minutes.
I have placed another full order for his CurOst regimen. I still think it's voodoo. But it's working for my kiddo, and I'll continue to buy it for him as long as they make it. I have been able to use the money in my budget I was using for grain (Safechoice Perfomance) and Ulcergard, to pay for it.
I'm interested to see where we're at in 6 months with Sonic's tummy. And a year from now.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | classicpotatochip - 2015-12-04 10:24 AM Scope, full tube of Ulcergard for 10-15 days. Pull off grain, free choice coastal, plenty of alfalfa. A good product like SmartGI Ultra is well worth it. I have an anecdote of my own for CurOst products. Flamers are welcome to read it or not, roll their eyes or not, call BS if they want, blah blah blah. I don't care. This stuff has been what I consider a miracle for my young horse. Sonic: Sonic is a coming 5 year old. I've owned him since he was a two year old. He was on the track for two runs, and was pulled to finish his growth spurt out, before returning. I caught the owner in need of hay money, so she sold him to me. I had been admiring his calm attitude and wonderful conformation. Enter my crazy lifestyle: I didn't ride him much his two year old year. I hauled him a good bit, and kept him on grain and free choice hay. The next year, I moved to a pretty stressful (for all of us) place for work. The horses were dry lotted on a round bale, and continued their twice a day grain diet. I didn't have much time for Sonic, he was still eating well, running around with his tail in the air. We moved again. Within a week Sonic was sick. He lost a ton of weight. His eyes were dull. He wasn't eating. I was in communication with my vet, over three hours away. Sonic started to lay down and exhibit colic signs. I got him on the trailer and took him to the equine hospital. This was in April 2014. He was palpated, oiled, ultrasounded, the whole nine yards. No real diagnosis was made, because there was no blockage. When he was scoped, he exhibited terrible ulcers in his stomach. IVs had been started on his arrival. Gastrogard was started. Antibiotics too. Slowly, he pulled out of it. He was in hospital for over two weeks. Vet bill through the roof. Brought him home. Three days later, back to not eating. Didn't have any Ulcergard on hand (I use a full tube of it rather than Gastrogard, its a wee bit cheaper), so with help from vet friends, hit him with 80 ccs of Maalox to help put the fire out and get him eating again. He was back munching within 3 hours, while I overnighted Ulcergard. Ran a full 30 days of full tube through him, and then went to a daily dosage of Ulcergard. Had him on free choice alfalfa , Ulcergard, Forco, SmartGI Ultra, rice bran, and a small amount of Ultium. He looked like hammered hell. Anyway, the summer goes on. He regains his body condition, albeit staying slender, but not unheard of for a three year old. In November, he gets sick again. My whole herd contracted some sort of virus. It had everyone else just sort of tired acting with a loose stool. No loss of appetite. They were fine within two days. Sonic was up then laying down. A slight fever. On and off interested in eating. Diarrhea Away to the hospital we went again, for over two weeks again. Gastrogard, antibiotics, IV fluid, my good vet pulled him through again. Over all this time, I've noticed a few things about Sonic. When his tummy is out of whack, he scrapes his water bucket with his teeth. He also doesn't eat as much, but still eats well. So basically, I just went to letting him live on a daily dose of Gastrogard. It kept him going, happy, and doing just fine, so I thought. He was at aquatread, when the manager called to say that Sonic was laying down and acting colicy. She zoomed him to the vet, where he was checked out for blockages and oiled. He ended up being just fine, but stayed for a few days to just be on the safe side. I picked him up, and moved him to our new place. Kept him on Gastrogard the whole time, no problems. Went to a full tube for ten days when he started scraping his water bucket. Enter Omnis cubes. We had finally moved somewhere where it's easy to get them. I free choiced them to him, and continued Gastrogard in a small daily dose. His body condition started to pick up, and he had self regulated to about 18 lbs a day. He was also on SmartGI Ultra. About a week into the cubes, I pulled him off the Ulcergard to see what would happen. Okay, so far so good. Then, despite being a complete skeptic, enter: CurOst Stomach, CurOst Adapt, and CurOst Immune. I figured, well, I have a 30 day supply, if I don't see any sort of change, then I can get on BHW and decry the stuff, and actually have leg to stand on. Well. He'd been on the cubes for about three weeks, with no noticeable change in appetite. It was good, I was pleased. Three days into the full doses of the CurOst voodoo, Sonic, MY Sonic, started eating 25 lbs of cubes a day. 30 days later, he has gained 30 lbs (by the tape). We moved again for my new job in Marshall TX. He hasn't skipped a beat. No bucket chewing, no weight loss. I've changed a lot in his life: I'm riding him almost daily, he's kept up in a stall, and his nemesis in the form of roping steers are here daily as well. Thanks to his feeling better, no grain, etc, he's doing really well. I feel that I have that calm, personable, and very charismatic Sonic back. He has leveled out to an even 24 lbs of cubes a day, and I have added some really good Bermuda hay for him to play in. He's getting 1 lb of stabilized rice bran a day, broken into two feedings, to eat his CurOst in. He slurps it up in minutes. I have placed another full order for his CurOst regimen. I still think it's voodoo. But it's working for my kiddo, and I'll continue to buy it for him as long as they make it. I have been able to use the money in my budget I was using for grain (Safechoice Perfomance) and Ulcergard, to pay for it. I'm interested to see where we're at in 6 months with Sonic's tummy. And a year from now.
That is so awesome, how exciting!
I know isn't Cur Ost crazy? I decided to try it on the rest of my barn, after getting it for my Allergy Ridden mare and having it work wonders. I didn't even think the rest of my barn 'needed help'. And 3 weeks later they look and are completley different.
This stuff is crazy! | |
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Location: NE Texas | It's truly amazing all the changes a horse can make for the positive when we remove the contributors in the diet, stop treating the outward symptoms and start treating the source of the issue. That is what Cur-OST is designed to do, treat the source of the inflammation and provide the body with support at the cellular level. | |
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| kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 6:48 AM I have off track thoroughbreds and ulcers are always an issue. Alfalfa (just a couple of flakes a day) along with regular hay helps sooth the stomach. For treatment, I order Omeprazole from horseprerace.com, it's just a fraction of the cost and the exact same ingredient. It definitely works and actually heals the ulcers. I recently had horse with terrible ulcers and just 28 days after treating she is great. I purchased extra because if she is going to be in a stressful situation I go ahead and give it to her for the day.
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That is so awesome, how exciting!
I know isn't Cur Ost crazy? I decided to try it on the rest of my barn, after getting it for my Allergy Ridden mare and having it work wonders. I didn't even think the rest of my barn 'needed help'. And 3 weeks later they look and are completley different.
This stuff is crazy! Â
Thank you!!! Yes, it is crazy voodoo stuff. I'm so glad yours are doing well. I do have to admit to being excited about how mine is feeling! :D | |
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| curost by secondvet.com there is a supplement for ulcers called stomach and it really helps- you can get on there and message the vet he is great to reply and give you some great advice-I have dealt with ulcers for quite some time and yes you do need to always stay on top of them once your horse has had them I can tell you hind gut ulcers cannot be found with scope and many horses have them- so even if they do not see ulcers doesn't mean he doen't have them personally I did the $1000.00 month of ulcerguard 5 years ago - honestly I think there are some other options just as good and not harmful to their bones- animal element in the zone is great to sooth the stomach and calm them down while you are treating/ and future trailering and competing. no molasses , blue bonnet feed ex-factor is great to feed. I would definitely get on secondvet.com there are many discussions on there about the stomach and all that it causes in the rest of the body. | |
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| mscanchaser - 2015-12-04 9:43 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-12-04 7:56 AM kathyward01 - 2015-12-04 6:50 AM The only way to actually HEAL the ulcer is to use omeprazole This^^then take them off grain, have a mainly forage diet. I have not fed grain in years. I feed a couple cups of soaked molasses free beet pulp, alfalfa, 1 cup renew gold am and pm, pasture Do you feed alfalfa pallets or hay? If you feed pallets do you soak them with the beet pulp?
I feed alfalfa hay | |
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| One thing you may consider is teff grass hay. It has as much or more calcium as alfalfa (depending on the timing of cutting) but stimulates less acid production.
Permanent pasture with a herd if you can.
Consider stress levels when you exercise and haul.
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We have a horse that stops eating when ulcers are back.Â
We have tried many things.Â
What is working for us...Â
neighlox 1oz twice a dayÂ
Smartpak GI UltraÂ
Tribute Ultra Kalm feedÂ
equine total gold oil 4 oz dailyÂ
we treated with omeprazole/zantac paste for 30 days straight 3 different times and as soon as we stopped the paste the ulcers came back without a preventive in place.
we used Succeed paste daily and omeprazole/zantac paste day before day of and day after racing and ulcers came backÂ
our horse lost so much weightÂ
finally off omeprazole/zantac paste for 60 days without recurrence of ulcersÂ
praying we finally have the right prevention in place | |
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