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Location: Dubach, LA | It's a horse race after all, but am I the only one that sees a developing trend of jockeys at the NFR? Yes, they are great jockeys to be there. That isn't up for discussion. We are used to seeing cowgirls there or at the top level anywhere who trained the horse, or futuritied the horse, or rodeo seasoned the horse. Maybe the girl owns it; maybe she doesn't, but she DID have a hand in making the horse. There are many at the top of the sport now that bought one or more horses that already had the talent and work ethic to get there. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We are watching barrel racing go the way of TB racing, polo and cutting. I'm not sure Brittany Pozzi, Molli Montgomery, Jackie Dube, or name 10 other top hands could afford to put a couple hundred thousand into finished horses and rigs to go down the road and not have to worry about making money at home. We need to be careful or it will be just a spectator sport. |
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| Since only 15 women go each year and the rest of the public seats around and watches hasn't always been a spectator sport? |
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| I have an NFR quality horse right now. I'm male so I need a jockey to! |
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Location: oklahoma | Brittany Pozzi and Jackie Jatzlau raise their own, as do many others. I think it's part of the time nowadays, don't see anyone with a horse in their pick up bed or cheap little two horse going to rodeos, a mattress in the tack area for one person and the driver sleeping on the pick up seat, lol. Same with other sports too. Big business. ( I'm a nobody, just throwing out my .1 cents. Inflation doesn't even make it worth that) |
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Location: That part of Texas | I can't speak for all, but I can say that I've watched Carley Richardson (who is from my area) for years now and she is a true hand and horsewoman. Her family doesn't always pull up in the most fancy rig out there but her dad has tried to help her get the best horses they could find. Carley has grown so much in her riding with each of the horses she has campaigned over the years and she has put the time in on training many of them, including those she is riding now.
I can't help but think you can say this about every girl riding in the NFR right now, that even though they may not have started the horse they are on or even got them to that level of caliber, they did do that for many horses who have been in their stables that didn't work for one reason or another. Sometimes you just don't click with one but you learn from them and it's possibly that lesson that makes it easier to get on the next one and make it look like it was so simple to have that new horse up and running like they are. Because of good horses in their past, they have risen to such a caliber that riding the ones they have now looks effortless when it's anything but. I still see the team aspect being more important than just the changing of jockeys like at the track but I get where you are coming from in the OP. |
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Location: WI | CanCan - 2015-12-06 4:46 PM
It's a horse race after all, but am I the only one that sees a developing trend of jockeys at the NFR? Yes, they are great jockeys to be there. That isn't up for discussion. We are used to seeing cowgirls there or at the top level anywhere who trained the horse, or futuritied the horse, or rodeo seasoned the horse. Maybe the girl owns it; maybe she doesn't, but she DID have a hand in making the horse. There are many at the top of the sport now that bought one or more horses that already had the talent and work ethic to get there. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We are watching barrel racing go the way of TB racing, polo and cutting. I'm not sure Brittany Pozzi, Molli Montgomery, Jackie Dube, or name 10 other top hands could afford to put a couple hundred thousand into finished horses and rigs to go down the road and not have to worry about making money at home. We need to be careful or it will be just a spectator sport.
Seriously?? Who cares? It takes talent to make it to the NFR, period. |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I think I have heard the same basic discussion/comments at the open horse shows and junior rodeos when some of the kids were were riding finished horses and others were dragging ponies up from the back pasture. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | I'm not sure I get your point... Are you trying to say that there are more women running at the top now who have paid for good horses rather than trained their own? If that is what you're trying to get at then I agree with SC Wranger, this is an old worn out discussion that has gone on for years in every level of every horse sport around. |
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| There are always going to be people who have more money than others, that is part of life. It does not bother me. Callie is the only one I can immediately think of that has a dad who can fund a trip to the NFR. If I had the money I would too. Taylor may not have trained Bo, but she has trained some winners. If they come across "that horse" are they suppose to pass it up?? Our trainer can produce winners hands down but believe me, if she has the opportunity to buy a great one for her daughter, she does. All I have to say is congrats to the top 15 how ever they got there and I guarantee whatever their path was they still worked their tail off.
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Toastest with the Mostest
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Location: That part of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-06 8:15 PM There are always going to be people who have more money than others, that is part of life. It does not bother me. Callie is the only one I can immediately think of that has a dad who can fund a trip to the NFR. If I had the money I would too. Taylor may not have trained Bo, but she has trained some winners. If they come across "that horse" are they suppose to pass it up?? Our trainer can produce winners hands down but believe me, if she has the opportunity to buy a great one for her daughter, she does. All I have to say is congrats to the top 15 how ever they got there and I guarantee whatever their path was they still worked their tail off. And to just further that thought, if it was only about having a horse trained to perfection and "ready-to-go", I would expect to see more family connections or at least friend connections riding these horses to the NFR (for the trainers/owners) then them being sold off to someone else. If you had the ability to train and set one up for the NFR and replacing jockeys were so easy, why wouldn't you set a horse up for your daughter, BFF or even yourself to go instead of selling them off? You don't see it because jockeys are not so interchangeable in barrels. The guys may be able to do it in the roping events by borrowing someone else's horse -- we've seen it and watched them win by doing so -- but it's a different dynamic with barrels.
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Location: Always on call..... | I guess I never understand this argument. I feel like the which is better - training your own vs buying a finished horse - debate is like arguing over if sorrels or bays are better barrel horses. It is simply a matter of personal preference - neither path makes you a better rider/competitor/person over someone else.
I have two barrel horses - one I trained and one I bought as a very finished horse. It was very satisfying to train my mare, but it was also a long process. Especially if you do it correctly. I have seen plenty of people who "like to train their own" push something too fast, too soon and ended up with a horse that was inconsistent and had a lot of bad habits. My mare is not a world beater by any means, but her pattern is very correct and solid every single run. That took several years to achieve.
Equally it was also very satisfying to buy a nice horse and get with him to make good runs. That horse made me a more aggressive competitor because all I ever worry about is how I ride, not what he is going to do.
My horses are getting older and next year when I am ready to look for something younger I will be looking for an already finished horse. Buying one fits my lifestyle, work schedule and barrel racing goals at this point in time. I have no desire to invest the years into training something.
Also for all you people who love to train, you should be happy there are people who like to buy a finished horse to enjoy. We are your bread and butter, so stop slamming us. :-) |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | Sarah Rose made her ow horse. |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | There are a lot of great trainers that are not jockeys and on the flip side their are a lot of great jockeys that are not trainers.
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Location: Arkansas | SC Wrangler - 2015-12-06 11:54 PM There are a lot of great trainers that are not jockeys and on the flip side their are a lot of great jockeys that are not trainers.
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Miracle in the Making
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| Swannranch - 2015-12-07 12:26 AM Sarah Rose made her ow horse.
i thought she said her uncle did irregarless its been fun watching her grow up from pigtail to nfr |
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| So, who do you consider jockeys at this year's NFR?
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 I hate cooking and cleaning
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Location: Jersey Girl | So, just to make sure I understand....by "jockeying" you mean the person riding is just there to run the horse and they own none of their own and had nothing to do with the training/raising?
I personally don't see what the big deal is. There are owners at the local level in my area that do this. They can't ride as well so they get someone else to.
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| Didnt Sarah get Bling as a young prospect? Fallon raised Babyflo. Yes she was fortunate enough that her parents provided her the quality sire and dam that Babyflo resulted from, but she did all the hard work (with flo) herself. Sure the right amount of money can make any situation easier. Brittany and Jackie have had tremendous success in the futurity world. I am sure its hard to want to drive thousands of miles all year long to make the NFR when you can be very lucrative by going to 10 futurities or so instead. Big money is getting more involved in barrel racing, that is evident. I have a ton of respect for those Jockeys who make their own, but I respect anyone out there getting it done no matter how they came about it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CanCan - 2015-12-06 4:46 PM It's a horse race after all, but am I the only one that sees a developing trend of jockeys at the NFR? Yes, they are great jockeys to be there. That isn't up for discussion. We are used to seeing cowgirls there or at the top level anywhere who trained the horse, or futuritied the horse, or rodeo seasoned the horse. Maybe the girl owns it; maybe she doesn't, but she DID have a hand in making the horse. There are many at the top of the sport now that bought one or more horses that already had the talent and work ethic to get there. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We are watching barrel racing go the way of TB racing, polo and cutting. I'm not sure Brittany Pozzi, Molli Montgomery, Jackie Dube, or name 10 other top hands could afford to put a couple hundred thousand into finished horses and rigs to go down the road and not have to worry about making money at home. We need to be careful or it will be just a spectator sport.
What are you trying to say here, the girls that buy finished horses and have the truck and rigs and money to go down the road should not be riding at the NFR, just the ones that do their own training/making of the horses? |
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| rodeochick382 - 2015-12-07 8:23 AM SC Wrangler - 2015-12-06 11:54 PM There are a lot of great trainers that are not jockeys and on the flip side their are a lot of great jockeys that are not trainers.
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Agree. Some trainers do not want to go down the road. The NFR is not everyones dream. Rodeoing full time is rough, I dont know that I would give it a try if someone offered to fund it for me. |
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