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| I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles.
I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 4:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-13 4:53 PM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 4:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
What type of bit are you using on her? And when was the last time her teeth were done?Β
Her teeth were done this year, probably not even 6 months ago. I use a short shank showman dogbone bit. She's to sensitive for to much shank. I have never had her rear before until a few weeks ago. I have had this bit on her pretty much all year. She doesn't rear warming up, I can trot and lope her on a lose rein etc. Its only when we are either waiting to go in, or standing in the arena and the barrels are present. I can go in there and trot her through them etc no problems. She just before we go in gets super anxious and even will shake sometimes..... There isn't any hesitation to get her in the arena either, she goes right in.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would go heve her teeth checked out just to make sure that theres not a problem starting up in her mouth. And make sure her feet are balance. And I would also have a lameness vet go over her to make sure her stifles and hocks are ok. This is where I would start out to rule out any problems with her..Sometimes where there is pain they will lock up and not want to do anything for you. |
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      Location: oklahoma | Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. |
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| CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM
Β Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up.Β
Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19. |
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| Ulcers or hocks are the first two things that come to mind. Maybe ulcers a little more since she doesn't seem to have issues except when in high stress situations (although if you aren't working hard and asking her to turn at home, hocks/stifles would still be on the table for me).
Teeth would be worth looking at but if it's been 6 months or less and they were done and balanced by a certified equine dentist, I'd have to lean a little more to the other two. If they were just hand floated by a vet, I would find a dentist to take a look. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-13 5:28 PM
Have you tested her for PSSM1? Β The "locking up" would concern me... Β
She only locks up when she's being reprimanded. She will literally stand there all day. That's the only time she locks up. When she knows your angry she wont respond anymore. When I first got her she wouldn't move out at all, I go her at 6 and barely green broke. She would lock up on trails and wouldn't move. I had to carry a crop with me for the first year of me riding her. Barrels and trails she now moves out super well. The only time she locks up is when you're frustrated with her, or she herself is frustrated and doesn't know what to do. |
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| First of all, not all horses make barrel horses. They either have the desire or they don't The second thing is that the horse sounds like it is spoiled. I think the horse is coming off the ground to scare you. I would suggest you get some one to evaluate the horse and give their opinion on what is going on. (As in trainer or someone who rides well) |
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 6:07 PM
First of all, not all horses make barrel horses. They either have the desire or they don't The second thing is that the horse sounds like it is spoiled. I think the horse is coming off the ground to scare you. I would suggest you get some one to evaluate the horse and give their opinion on what is going on. (As in trainer or someone who rides well)
She has only just started. I haven't had her become light in the front end in the 5 years I have owned her. I have been doing tons of slow work etc to keep her mind. She does enjoy barrels, she just hasn't gotten it all figured out I don't think. |
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| My trainer has ridden all of my horses for the pest 6 or 7 years. All of them have ended up being 1D horses except one. My trainer called and said pick her up and get rid of her. She was certainly bred to be a barrel horse, just didn't have the desire. She never got far enough to get stressed she just didn't want to even try to run barrels. If the horse is coming off the ground before you go in, then I really don't think the horse seems to like it. |
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          Location: Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19.
Maybe let her go forward then. Sometimes we can do slow work too long, and the horse gets frustrated. Make sure you are not nit picking at her. |
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 6:48 PM
My trainer has ridden all of my horses for the pest 6 or 7 years. All of them have ended up being 1D horses except one. My trainer called and said pick her up and get rid of her. She was certainly bred to be a barrel horse, just didn't have the desire. She never got far enough to get stressed she just didn't want to even try to run barrels. If the horse is coming off the ground before you go in, then I really don't think the horse seems to like it.
It hasn't been before.... She does it after we slow down and come back to come out of the arena or waiting for our next exhibition in the arena. I have never had her go up before we ran, just after. She's only done about four times now. But I believe it's becoming a problem. She would rather keep going when I ask for her to stand. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-12-13 7:07 PM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Β Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up.Β Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19.
MaybeΒ let her go forward then. Sometimes we can do slow work too long, and the horse gets frustrated.Β Make sure you are not nit picking at her. Β
This actually makes a bit of sense. You're possibly right. I've been doing slow work for so long she's probably peeved I won't let her do what she knows how to.
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 7:18 PM Fun2Run - 2015-12-13 7:07 PM RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19. Maybe let her go forward then. Sometimes we can do slow work too long, and the horse gets frustrated. Make sure you are not nit picking at her. This actually makes a bit of sense. You're possibly right. I've been doing slow work for so long she's probably peeved I won't let her do what she knows how to. But I will get the rest of this checked out. Hocks, teeth and ulcers.
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        Location: MD | In your original post you said that when she knows that you are frustrated, or angry and when what you are doing is as punishment, she locks up. There is a very good reason for this. A very wise horseman once told me something that had the largest impact on not only my life with horses, but life in general of anything that I have ever heard. Patience and knowledge run out at the same time. When working at anything, we must put our unproductive emotions aside. More often than not, when we become angry, frustrated, or impatient, it is because we do not know what to do in order to resolve a situation. All the while, those emotions are blocking us from being able to pick up on the subtle answers which we are being given.
I am sure that some will disagree with this statement, but it is okay for one not to want to stand still. If she doesn't stand still, rather than argue about it, allow her to move, but only in ways that you ask her to. That may mean walking a circle. It could be sidepassing, leg yielding, whatever you choose. They come to realize that they just might want to stand still and take that breath for a minute. It sounds to me like through the best of your knowledge, you have tried to make this horse do the things that you have learned to be correct. That is both a good and bad thing. When we learn things in theory, such as "a horse should be kept slow and correct until they perform the pattern perfectly before adding speed", we so often lack the knowledge of how to put that theory into execution. We end up picking and picking at an animal who is doing things right in an effort to achieve perfection, but we don't know how to acknowledge, or reward the steps toward it.
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 10:21 PM
How many times a month do you take her to exhibition?
Twice maybe three times if I am lucky. We exhibition only twice and I try to have them space me out in order for me to camp out and let her relax after the first one. |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-13 10:28 PM
In your original post you said that when she knows that you are frustrated, or angry and when what you are doing is as punishment, she locks up. There is a very good reason for this. A very wise horseman once told me something that had the largest impact on not only my life with horses, but life in general of anything that I have ever heard. Patience and knowledge run out at the same time. When working at anything, we must put our unproductive emotions aside. More often than not, when we become angry, frustrated, or impatient, it is because we do not know what to do in order to resolve a situation. All the while, those emotions are blocking us from being able to pick up on the subtle answers which we are being given.
I am sure that some will disagree with this statement, but it is okay for one not to want to stand still. If she doesn't stand still, rather than argue about it, allow her to move, but only in ways that you ask her to. That may mean walking a circle. It could be sidepassing, leg yielding, whatever you choose. They come to realize that they just might want to stand still and take that breath for a minute. It sounds to me like through the best of your knowledge, you have tried to make this horse do the things that you have learned to be correct. That is both a good and bad thing. When we learn things in theory, such as "a horse should be kept slow and correct until they perform the pattern perfectly before adding speed", we so often lack the knowledge of how to put that theory into execution. We end up picking and picking at an animal who is doing things right in an effort to achieve perfection, but we don't know how to acknowledge, or reward the steps toward it.
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