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| Question... Just found out that my horse can't be injected anymore with steroids per his new vet as it could kill him due to him being an ulcer horse (recently diagnosed) He's only had one time injection to hocks, stifles and TMJ's and she said I was very blessed that he didn't die. I know he isn't the only horse out there that cannot receive injections for the same reason.. My question is.. What do you do for alternative therapy if the problem arose again he needed them or what can you give to prevent a horse from having to be injected again. |
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| You can still inject, but you need to use a high quality HA and no steroid.
I have never heard of ulcers being a contraindication to joint injections, but then I have never injected betamethasone, corticosteroids, depo into my horses.
I would speak to the vet about injecting Trimethisclone and HA.
For the hocks surgical fusion is an option.
For the others, I don't believe there is an alternative to injecting. I don't drug horses with bute or previcoxx to ride or run, if they aren't sound naturally, they don't get rode.
Herbie, and Flitanstic have had success with curost products, maybe message them. |
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| Very true, I have had great success with Curost EQ Pure for my horse that needed a variety of injections. |
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| That's a new one on me. Did your vet have a good explanation? I find this hard to buy, do to some high percentage (60%+) of performance horses having ulcers, and a large percentage of those performance horses getting injections.
I mean, if it's a thing, we need to know, and you need to do the best for your horse, but I'm wondering if there's an in depth explanation?
Fusing hocks surgically is technically an option, but it's no walk in the park.
There's some good products out there, Adequan, Legend, etc. CurOst is recommended by some, and I'm using it on two horses with joint issues, but I can't give you a firm "Yes it works!", or "No it sucks!"
BUT, there's some very good ulcer treatments out there, Gastrogard, Ulcergard, and CurOst Stomach is pretty awesome at my barn.
Can he be injected if you fix his digestion? |
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Location: Midwest | Are you saying the horse had stomach ulcers, or did it have ulceration at the injection sites? |
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Location: Midwest | If your horse had stomach ulcers and your vet says they were caused by steroid IA injections, I would be getting a second opinion. ASAP.
As for alternatives to injections, I have had wonderful luck with Pentosan IM. I inject it once a week. I went from injecting to hocks every 3 months to once or twice a year.
I also feed MSM as an oral joint supplement, and I give previcox as a preventative if I stall and make multiple runs in one weekend. My horse is running as hard as ever and he is coming 19 this year. He is not a barn burner but he is solid and consistent, about a second off at large super shows in the midwest. I am not a professional but this program seems to work for me and is very cost effective. |
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Location: NE Texas | When we talk about joint injections, we are talking about arthritis, bony change, in a joint that is a result of inflammation in that joint. It happens to all of us, human and equine, at some point due to age and over use of our bodies. One thing I have found in all of my research this year (which is stupid that it's taken me this long to tie it in), is that arthritis is directly affected to diet and to the immune system. Once boney change is present, it cannot be reversed, but the pain and inflammation management can be improved. I prefer to do this through the Cur-OST products to reduce the inflammation and keep the immune system functioning correctly. The anti-inflammatory support in these products has proven to be very effective for me, and by managing the inflammation, further joint deterioration will be minimalized. Preventions is worth a pound of cure! https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/390-joint-dysfunction-are-injections-the-only-solution |
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Location: North Dakota | Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-14 9:44 PM Question... Just found out that my horse can't be injected anymore with steroids per his new vet as it could kill him due to him being an ulcer horse (recently diagnosed) He's only had one time injection to hocks, stifles and TMJ's and she said I was very blessed that he didn't die. I know he isn't the only horse out there that cannot receive injections for the same reason.. My question is.. What do you do for alternative therapy if the problem arose again he needed them or what can you give to prevent a horse from having to be injected again.
Interesting. I have NEVER heard this before.
I'm curious: How would it "kill him"? I guess I can't imagine how it could.
Where are his ulcers? What are you doing to manage them?
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Herbie - 2015-12-15 8:19 AM When we talk about joint injections, we are talking about arthritis, bony change, in a joint that is a result of inflammation in that joint. It happens to all of us, human and equine, at some point due to age and over use of our bodies. One thing I have found in all of my research this year (which is stupid that it's taken me this long to tie it in), is that arthritis is directly affected to diet and to the immune system. Once boney change is present, it cannot be reversed, but the pain and inflammation management can be improved. I prefer to do this through the Cur-OST products to reduce the inflammation and keep the immune system functioning correctly. The anti-inflammatory support in these products has proven to be very effective for me, and by managing the inflammation, further joint deterioration will be minimalized. Preventions is worth a pound of cure! https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/390-joint-dysfunction-are-injections-the-only-solution
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| Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about! |
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| Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 8:50 PM
Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about!
I have read this about humans and NSAIDs and ulcers I would contact Dr. Schell about his Cur Ost products. He is a vet also. You contact him on secondvet.com. They have already helped two of mine.
Sorry, I had to edit my reply. I orginally said steroids, but I checked where I read it and it said NSAIDs, not steroids.
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Location: Texas | I've heard great results with Cetyl-M.
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Location: Here | classicpotatochip - 2015-12-14 10:58 PM That's a new one on me. Did your vet have a good explanation? I find this hard to buy, do to some high percentage (60%+) of performance horses having ulcers, and a large percentage of those performance horses getting injections. I mean, if it's a thing, we need to know, and you need to do the best for your horse, but I'm wondering if there's an in depth explanation? Fusing hocks surgically is technically an option, but it's no walk in the park. There's some good products out there, Adequan, Legend, etc. CurOst is recommended by some, and I'm using it on two horses with joint issues, but I can't give you a firm "Yes it works!", or "No it sucks!" BUT, there's some very good ulcer treatments out there, Gastrogard, Ulcergard, and CurOst Stomach is pretty awesome at my barn. Can he be injected if you fix his digestion?
I agree
this is a new angle I have never heard of |
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Location: Here | Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 8:50 PM Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3729864/ |
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Location: Here | Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 8:50 PM Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about!
Please read the article I just posted the injections are not like bute |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 7:50 PM Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about!
Not true. A needle in the joint will not effect the stomach plus your vet should know better than to inject with straight steroid. That's not helping the joint and your going to be injecting more often.. Get a new vet. |
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| Eh.... not sure I buy that unless the steroid, like dexamethasone was given orally or something. The steroid given in the joint may circulate in the blood but it wont get into the stomach. Unless there is a bleeding grade 4 gastric ulcer... and the steroid gets in the stomach via the blood stream??? But even that's a little far fetched.... |
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| Dash4KJ - 2015-12-15 9:11 PM
Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 7:50 PM Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about!
Not true. A needle in the joint will not effect the stomach plus your vet should know better than to inject with straight steroid. That's not helping the joint and your going to be injecting more often.. Get a new vet.
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Location: Florida.. | Dash4KJ - 2015-12-15 10:11 PM Burninbarrels9456 - 2015-12-15 7:50 PM Ok.. Let me clarify... He can't be injected with steroids due to ulcers. I also know of another person whose horse has ulcers and cannot be injected with steroids. Both our horses seen by two different vets in two different states and both vets state same reason. He has stomach ulcers. We are now treating him... The steroid goes straight to the stomach and irritates it just as bute does and causes ulcer horse to colic. Sorry for any confusion. But yes he is being treated for ulcers now. It's been a huge ordeal! That's another story in itself! But finally found a vet who knows what the heck they are doing and talking about! Not true. A needle in the joint will not effect the stomach plus your vet should know better than to inject with straight steroid. That's not helping the joint and your going to be injecting more often.. Get a new vet.
agree.. Id get a new vet.. or you have misunderstood the vet. |
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| THE HORSE magazine just had an article about this. You may find it on THEHORSE.COM. You may have to have a subscription. |
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