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| Quick question, for those that have experience with FG own get, have you had soundness issues once performing or is this just a rumor? Now that I bought a nice mare, I've been told by a handful of people that I will regret hauling her almost every weekend to barrel race, basically since they are not know to stay sound. UGGG. I didn't do any research, I see so many in the barrel and roping pen nationwide I thought it was a great bloodline for performance. I shyed away from a DTF daughter due to hearing tons of soundness problems with them. Just wanted peoples experiences I guess if you care to share good or bad! Thanks!  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Never heard this about his get, I think they are just jealous.. lol... |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-23 8:14 PM
Never heard this about his get, I think they are just jealous.. lol...
LOL I like your thinking!! Merry Christmas  |
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| Whenever you have a sire that throws like FG does, you will have soundness issues. It's the nature of the beast when you have a particular sire that throws hard running, hard turning, more try than is safe and a winning desire no matter how much pain they may be in.
I've seen more than a few own FG get trip at a barrel, fall on their face and STILL place in the top 3 at rodeos. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I think it depends on the individual. I went to their sale several times and thought for the most part they were on the smaller side and finer boned. Not my cup of tea. But then they started to cross him differently, on mostly race bred mares. We have seen more that are well made now and have the bone we like than before. I get to ride a '07 stud that is out of a super producing Pie In The Sky daughter. He has fantastic bone and all black feet. His intelligence and athletic ability has me hooked. We bred all 4 of our mares to him and I hope to keep one back to ride for myself. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wild1 - 2015-12-23 8:24 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-23 8:14 PM Never heard this about his get, I think they are just jealous.. lol... LOL I like your thinking!! Merry Christmas
LOL, I just wanted to make sure to make you feel better about your Frenchmans Guy get, I dont own one but never heard anything bad about them.
And a very Merry Christmas to you too.
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| No I have a 5yo mare that is probably the soundest, best footed horse I own. Now I did inject her hocks and I have heard they can tend to have hock problems maybe because of turning style but I don't think it's anymore than any other high performance barrel horse. As for bone I've had 4 own get and they all have awesome bone my stud colt is so stout with great feet and a ton of bone. |
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| I have started to believe that soundness is more environmental then genetic, or physical (barring blatant abnormalities)
Too much or too little feed can cause significant growth and development problems.
Physical stress, riding before growth plates are fused, slamming their hind end into hard ground, racing on a track, this can cause physical breakdown.
Excessive hauling can be detrimental to the joints as the vibration in the trailers, some vets are now saying this is the biggest reason they are injecting joints.
Farriers, poor angles, too small of shoes, unbalanced all cause problems.
Then there are the freak things that they do to themselves
Edited to add fitness, a lot of horses are injured as a result of not being fit before running
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Location: MD | I haven't experienced any more soundness issues with my FG get than I have with any other hard running, hard turning horses. I find quite often that people who don't have truly top end stock don't realize just how hard they are on themselves. Of course, that's not to say that every FG is going to be that sort of nice, nor that one with not so impressive breeding can't be just as nice, but you get my gist. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | First let me state that in general I like the FG horses that I have seen. I have never owned one.
However, from looking at videos of FG horses run and the pics in the ads...............the one thing that jumps out is they tend to be too straight in their stifles............this is a generalization of the FG horses that I have observed. This can also be attributed to the mares as easily as it can be attributed to FG.
This is just my opinion from observing. I do agree that most people have no idea how much effort/work it takes to keep any high performance horse sound of body and mind.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-23 8:32 PM
I think it depends on the individual. I went to their sale several times and thought for the most part they were on the smaller side and finer boned. Not my cup of tea. But then they started to cross him differently, on mostly race bred mares. We have seen more that are well made now and have the bone we like than before. I get to ride a '07 stud that is out of a super producing Pie In The Sky daughter. He has fantastic bone and all black feet. His intelligence and athletic ability has me hooked. We bred all 4 of our mares to him and I hope to keep one back to ride for myself.
What is the name of the stud? I am starting to look for 2017.... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | veintiocho - 2015-12-24 7:55 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-23 8:32 PM I think it depends on the individual. I went to their sale several times and thought for the most part they were on the smaller side and finer boned. Not my cup of tea. But then they started to cross him differently, on mostly race bred mares. We have seen more that are well made now and have the bone we like than before. I get to ride a '07 stud that is out of a super producing Pie In The Sky daughter. He has fantastic bone and all black feet. His intelligence and athletic ability has me hooked. We bred all 4 of our mares to him and I hope to keep one back to ride for myself. What is the name of the stud? I am starting to look for 2017....
Guys Piece ofthe Pie there is a link to his BHW ad in my signature. He's Future Fortunes and stands for $1000. His first colt crop produced a futurity money earner and multiple 1D winner. |
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| No soundness issues with mine as of yet. Hasn't taken a lame step the 3 years I've had her. She is finer boned and has small feet though. She is out of a race bred mare.
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| I feel like as with any stallion, it depends on the mare your breeding to. They say a lot comes from the mare. You can't blame the stud if you breed to a mare with hereditary soundness faults weather that be conformation, mental (to much try) or literal bone cysts or early onset of arthritis. I just gave away a 2yo I paid big money for as a weaner because she is so crippled she cant be rode AND has bone cysts that are forming that the vet says if bred, she may pass on. She is by a really nice son of FWF and a daughter of SE. I don't blame the stallion though, and I know the mare was crippled at an early age but I was told founder. Sure makes you wonder.... |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-26 6:38 AM
I feel like as with any stallion, it depends on the mare your breeding to. They say a lot comes from the mare. You can't blame the stud if you breed to a mare with hereditary soundness faults weather that be conformation, mental (to much try) or literal bone cysts or early onset of arthritis. I just gave away a 2yo I paid big money for as a weaner because she is so crippled she cant be rode AND has bone cysts that are forming that the vet says if bred, she may pass on. She is by a really nice son of FWF and a daughter of SE. I don't blame the stallion though, and I know the mare was crippled at an early age but I was told founder. Sure makes you wonder....
You just hit on one of my sore points about breeding. I have never understood why if a mare did not cut it as a barrel horse or any unsoundness other than injury. WHY DO YOU BREED HER? And than when the colt does not cut it either they blame the stud. Beyond me !!!!!
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| jbhoot - 2015-12-26 7:42 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2015-12-26 6:38 AM
I feel like as with any stallion, it depends on the mare your breeding to. They say a lot comes from the mare. You can't blame the stud if you breed to a mare with hereditary soundness faults weather that be conformation, mental (to much try) or literal bone cysts or early onset of arthritis. I just gave away a 2yo I paid big money for as a weaner because she is so crippled she cant be rode AND has bone cysts that are forming that the vet says if bred, she may pass on. She is by a really nice son of FWF and a daughter of SE. I don't blame the stallion though, and I know the mare was crippled at an early age but I was told founder. Sure makes you wonder....
You just hit on one of my sore points about breading. I have never understood why if a mare did not cut it as a barrel horse or any unsoundness other than injury. WHY DO YOU BREED HER? And than when the colt does not cut it either they blame the stud. Beyond me !!!!!
I agree. I had a really nice mare. I didn't realize she JD never been to rodeos and the first one I took her to was a perf with a strobe and carnival at the third and bucking chutes with the bulls being loaded at the gate. She never flinched. She was so solid mentally and athletically. But her front legs were a nightmare. I had to retire her early at 15. I loved her but never bred her. She had a for ever home at my house. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | SKM - 2015-12-23 8:29 PM Whenever you have a sire that throws like FG does, you will have soundness issues. It's the nature of the beast when you have a particular sire that throws hard running, hard turning, more try than is safe and a winning desire no matter how much pain they may be in. I've seen more than a few own FG get trip at a barrel, fall on their face and STILL place in the top 3 at rodeos.
I have a mare and I truely believe this was the case for her. Fastest gal in the early futurity season years ago. But she broke down because she would work her guts out for me. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-12-26 9:34 AM SKM - 2015-12-23 8:29 PM Whenever you have a sire that throws like FG does, you will have soundness issues. It's the nature of the beast when you have a particular sire that throws hard running, hard turning, more try than is safe and a winning desire no matter how much pain they may be in. I've seen more than a few own FG get trip at a barrel, fall on their face and STILL place in the top 3 at rodeos. I have a mare and I truely believe this was the case for her. Fastest gal in the early futurity season years ago. But she broke down because she would work her guts out for me.
As to the breeding statement above, maybe we should just put them all down and not have them in the gene pool. That's just not the way most Americans think...My dad is straight forward believes like this as they are stock and we are to be stewards towards improvement of the herd. But I, took my chances and bred her to Woodbridge. Have a beautiful filly with the exception of a dang parrot mouth. Should have listened to dear dad. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | uno-dos-tres! - 2015-12-26 8:41 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2015-12-26 9:34 AM SKM - 2015-12-23 8:29 PM Whenever you have a sire that throws like FG does, you will have soundness issues. It's the nature of the beast when you have a particular sire that throws hard running, hard turning, more try than is safe and a winning desire no matter how much pain they may be in. I've seen more than a few own FG get trip at a barrel, fall on their face and STILL place in the top 3 at rodeos. I have a mare and I truely believe this was the case for her. Fastest gal in the early futurity season years ago. But she broke down because she would work her guts out for me.
How is she bred? I've been around several and all had 1 bloodline in common. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2015-12-26 9:41 AM
uno-dos-tres! - 2015-12-26 9:34 AM SKM - 2015-12-23 8:29 PM Whenever you have a sire that throws like FG does, you will have soundness issues. It's the nature of the beast when you have a particular sire that throws hard running, hard turning, more try than is safe and a winning desire no matter how much pain they may be in. I've seen more than a few own FG get trip at a barrel, fall on their face and STILL place in the top 3 at rodeos. I have a mare and I truely believe this was the case for her. Fastest gal in the early futurity season years ago. But she broke down because she would work her guts out for me.
If you get a knowledgable dentist/vet no start floating teeth earlier the better, you can correct a minor parrot mouth. There is a special way to float their teeth to pull it into alignment. |
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