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| If you have netflix and some time to spare, I think this documentary is worth watching. I'm currently on episode 4, I won't time to watch the rest for a few days. I'll tell ya, its pretty interesting! It's about Steven Avery who went to prison and was released 18 years later because evidence proved him not guilty... only to get accused of another crime and sent back again.
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Location: North Dakota | You're the second person to mention this in the last couple days! I think I'll have to check it out. Anything to do with murder/rape/serial killers/stalkers/etc. is extremely interesting to me. I find the psychology fascinating. |
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Location: WI | I watched the first episode last night. The last 30 seconds, I was like 'whaaaaaaa?????' |
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| linds - 2015-12-30 9:15 AM
I watched the first episode last night. The last 30 seconds, I was like 'whaaaaaaa?????'
The first one I was like meh, but after the second I was addicted!!! |
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| I cannot stop watching this show!
Everytime I think I have it figured out they blindside me with something else.
The bad guys arent always who you think they are... that is for sure. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Kry5ta1 - 2015-12-31 10:35 AM I cannot stop watching this show! Everytime I think I have it figured out they blindside me with something else. The bad guys arent always who you think they are... that is for sure.
I followed this case a while ago. I don't trust the Justice system, I think it makes our medical system look amazingly good.
I lean toward thinking the guy is a creep, yet . . .18 years for something you didn't do wow. . . let alone the second conviction. I think I'm going to have to watch this. I originally saw the story on, probably, Dateline ID or something like that.
Curious now. . .
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Location: North Dakota | Watched episode 9 today, finishing episode 10 later. It's very good and it keeps getting crazier and crazier as the episodes go on. Well worth the time to watch it.. |
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| I read online that the documentary left out evidence that was presented at trial, don't know if this is true. |
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Location: Tennessee | I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery.
In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling.
I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | I have watched the entire series, and a few of the episodes I watched 2x just because. I did a little research as well.
here is what I came away from it with..
1. Steven Avery's mother is a very strong woman to spend so much of your life watching your child and then grandchild struggle and to still hold on to hope......amazing.
2. Avery is creepy, uneducated and lewd. The legal system took complete advantage of these folks and definitely had a vendetta. Kenneth Krantz was equally creepy, exceptionally unprofessional.
3. There is way too much about Holbachs roommate & ex boyfriend that wreaks of shady & suspicious.
4. The evidence does not prove that Dassey or Avery are guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
5. The investigators took liberties in interegation that was blantantly steering.
6. The FBI developing and using a test that has NEVER before been used, and claiming it as undeniable proof......WOW....just Wow.....
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| KRJ1791 - 2016-01-02 6:46 AM
I have watched the entire series, and a few of the episodes I watched 2x just because. I did a little research as well.
here is what I came away from it with..
1. Steven Avery's mother is a very strong woman to spend so much of your life watching your child and then grandchild struggle and to still hold on to hope......amazing.
2. Avery is creepy, uneducated and lewd. The legal system took complete advantage of these folks and definitely had a vendetta. Kenneth Krantz was equally creepy, exceptionally unprofessional.
3. There is way too much about Holbachs roommate & ex boyfriend that wreaks of shady & suspicious.
4. The evidence does not prove that Dassey or Avery are guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
5. The investigators took liberties in interegation that was blantantly steering.
6. The FBI developing and using a test that has NEVER before been used, and claiming it as undeniable proof......WOW....just Wow.....
Absolutely agree 100%.
The whole time I just thought... thank God for my education. |
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| Kry5ta1 - 2016-01-02 10:44 PM
KRJ1791 - 2016-01-02 6:46 AM
I have watched the entire series, and a few of the episodes I watched 2x just because. I did a little research as well.
here is what I came away from it with..
1. Steven Avery's mother is a very strong woman to spend so much of your life watching your child and then grandchild struggle and to still hold on to hope......amazing.
2. Avery is creepy, uneducated and lewd. The legal system took complete advantage of these folks and definitely had a vendetta. Kenneth Krantz was equally creepy, exceptionally unprofessional.
3. There is way too much about Holbachs roommate & ex boyfriend that wreaks of shady & suspicious.
4. The evidence does not prove that Dassey or Avery are guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
5. The investigators took liberties in interegation that was blantantly steering.
6. The FBI developing and using a test that has NEVER before been used, and claiming it as undeniable proof......WOW....just Wow.....
Absolutely agree 100%.
The whole time I just thought... thank God for my education.
This...thank goodness God gifted me a brain. It's crazy!!!! The documentary left me confused and not knowing if they did or did not get the people who did it. All I know is that I do believe the avery family is a group of backwoods half wit criminals and the documentary shows them as simple harmless idiots. Was there enough evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt though.......I don't think so. Do I think the judicial system needs to fire a whole lot of people. YES. Do I think avery did it....I honnestly have absolutely no clue. If the cops and prosecutors weren't so shady I would say without a dout. You cant pretend it doesn't raise questions. |
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| kdb2qq - 2016-01-01 10:01 PM I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery. In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling. I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts.
Agree with you on a lot of this. I did some research as well and there were undoubtedly things that were not mentioned.
I have a major issue with Dassey being in Jail. He is clearly has learning disabilities and now they have him so mixed up he probably doesn't even know what the truth is anymore. The reason I think Dassey is Innocent is because how the heck would they clean up all her blood and possible DNA! That would be **** near impossible if it was as bloody as Dassey claimed. Even if they did an amazing job cleaning up the blood...why go through all that trouble of hiding it to only leave the BONES outside your ******* house!!!!! Not only that, leave her car uncrushed! He does junk yard stuff for a living, if anything you think that would have been done!
The blood in the car is weird. How could he have left no other DNA or finger prints, but BLOOD in the vehicle. I do have to say about the blood container ...they claim there was a needle hole in it. Well all blood containers do lol. Pretty sure regardless if its for evidence or done in the hospital, a device it used to transfer the blood into the container that leaves a hole. You don't take the top off. Although they could have stuck a needle through in the exact spot, the hole alone doesn't mean anything because regardless there would have to be one there.
"In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling."
^^^^^^ I have no doubt in my mind that Avery is a creep for sure!!!!! i would not go hangout with him on my days off and make him my best friend lol! I would not put it past him to do it, but maybe thats the reason he is in jail. No one would put it past him. Perhaps that's why is was so easy to frame him!!! Small town in WI where a lot of higher up people looked like incompetent jerks after putting him wrongfully in jail. Thats motive. Not only for the money, but their reputations and pride. Do I think one of the cops did it? Probably not. Cops, judges, etc. I'm sure someone had connections to someone. Would have not been impossible for someone they hired to set this up. Just a theory. Could have been looking for a window of opportunity. Had it planned out what needed to be done and just looked for the first girl that came along.
A girl dead so someone needs to pay for sure BUT I don't think the system should be so quick to put someone in jail unless they are 100% sure. Peoples lives are not guessing games. 18 already for a crime he didn't commit. They should have been **** sure they didn't do the same thing again. Look here we are though......
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| Just watched this myself. Left me feeling totally disturbed at the cover up by the police in Avery's first case. I did feel for him going into the 2nd trial, wondering if the police had done the same again. Granted it would have been very hard, but it could have been done. The "hair" blood trails in the back of her car, makes me think she was killed and brought to Avery's in her car. If they raped, and slit her throat in the bedroom, where's the DNA, blood spatter and wouldn't there be blood somewhere on the matress? No matter HOW much it was possibly cleaned. Brendan definitely was taken advantage of bc of his learning disability. The interrogations of him made me want to slap the ones conducting it. Poor kid! Anyway, it was a great movie, lots of twists and turns. Can anyone recommend any other muder/mystery type movies on NetFlix? |
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Location: Texas | I just finished watching the last episode. It is true what Avery's attorney (I believe Dean Strang) said "you may never plan to commit a crime but if you are ACCUSED of a crime, good luck." |
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Location: Kentucky | I just finished this documentary. I realize that the film makers probably left some evidence and information out, however I don't believe that Avery or Dassey committed the crime. There is a huge amount of reasonable doubt. There was no horrific murder scene in the bedroom or garage that they are saying, and no way Avery could have cleaned up the blood, etc. even if it did occur.
My opinion is that Brendan's step-dad, Scott, and his brother Bobby killed her. Colburn found the vehicle, called it in, then called in his buddy Lenk for backup. They stashed the truck in the junkyard for Teresa's cousin to find at a later date, within 20 minutes of entering the 40 acre lot.
Scott and Bobby were each other's alibis, and their own timelines didn't match up. Plus who the hell goes bow-hunting at 3:30 in the afternoon in the fall? Doesn't it get dark at 5? I'm not a hunter, but it would seem like someone would hunt in the early morning verses late afternoon. They were sketchy as all get out... so was Teresa's brother and ex-boyfriend. They probably fit somewhere in there also.
AND the fact I wanted to punch Kratz in the throat. He was SUPER annoying. |
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Location: MD | I felt so sad for Brendan :( My mind is so interested in this whole story!! lol I watched all ten episodes. |
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I Want a "MAN"
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Location: MD | Do you all think that were will be another trial since the coming out of this documentary? What do you think will happen with the case now? |
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Location: Kentucky | CE's wrapn3 - 2016-01-27 1:33 PM Do you all think that were will be another trial since the coming out of this documentary? What do you think will happen with the case now?
http://fox6now.com/2016/01/11/steven-averys-new-attorney-says-shes-confident-his-conviction-will-be-vacated/ |
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Location: Nor Cal | I tried to watch and my husband and I got so bored and couldn't even make it past the first episode..  |
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