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| We are looking at switching to a whole oat diet with a mineral supplement. We feed dac oil for added fat and I've been looking at their mineral supplements as well, very reasonably priced.
We feed good mostly alfalfa hay. I know selenium/vit e are important, what else should I be looking for?
I'd like to stay reasonably priced as we may have up to 6 horses on the program if we like it. I'd also like to stay simple, I'm not usually the one choring so things like grinding flax right before you feed won't fly, gotta be easy for the SO and his dad.
I don't have much more available locally than your basic Tractor Supply type supplements, so it's likely whatever I get will be ordered in. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Try a ration balancer ie;Purina Supersport or Stay Strong 33 from ADM |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I won't support ADM anything. They refused to own up to their monosin poisoning fiasco.
There are a lot of good supplements. I use and recommend THE Perf or Muscle Mass. All natural/human grade ingredients. |
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Location: Missouri | Animal element has a loose mineral that is very good and affordable |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-01-03 9:27 PM
I won't support ADM anything. They refused to own up to their monosin poisoning fiasco.
There are a lot of good supplements. I use and recommend THE Perf or Muscle Mass. All natural/human grade ingredients.
Particular horse won't eat THE/most powders, we've gone rounds before and the manfriend isn't going to go above and beyond like I will to get him to eat something.
A loose granule type I'm willing to try but would prefer a pellet.
I'm looking at DAC total performance, MVP mega-mag, I've got to call and Inquire about the form they're in unless someone knows pellet vs powder va granule
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Location: Georgia | I've recently switched over to whole oats diet so I don't have a lot of advice to offer but my new feeding regimen is 3/4 scoop of whole oats twice a day with quality alfalfa and grass hay twice a day along with cool calories 100, SmartAntioxidant, and SmartOmega 3 Ultra(or plus can't remember) once a day. I hope to see great results but I've only been feeding this about 2 weeks. Good luck. |
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Location: Canada | Anyone a fan of Formula 707? Then add a fat supplement when needed? |
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| Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
Could be off base, I'm a newbie at this. |
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-05 12:57 PM
Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
Could be off base, I'm a newbie at this.
With alfalfa hay you will have plenty of calcium. A 1:1 ratio is appropriate for your ration. You should not be looking for a 2:1 ratio, due to your alfalfa hay. |
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| I switched back to whole oats, renew gold, alfalfa pellets. I supplement THE muscle mass and fastrack. I keep out free choice purina 12:12 minerals they nibble on it every so often. |
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| Tdove - 2016-01-05 1:11 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 12:57 PM
Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
Could be off base, I'm a newbie at this.
With alfalfa hay you will have plenty of calcium. A 1:1 ratio is appropriate for your ration. You should not be looking for a 2:1 ratio, due to your alfalfa hay.
Thanks, i just wasn't sure since we don't test our hay |
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-03 8:33 PM
We are looking at switching to a whole oat diet with a mineral supplement. We feed dac oil for added fat and I've been looking at their mineral supplements as well, very reasonably priced.
We feed good mostly alfalfa hay. I know selenium/vit e are important, what else should I be looking for?
I'd like to stay reasonably priced as we may have up to 6 horses on the program if we like it. I'd also like to stay simple, I'm not usually the one choring so things like grinding flax right before you feed won't fly, gotta be easy for the SO and his dad.
I don't have much more available locally than your basic Tractor Supply type supplements, so it's likely whatever I get will be ordered in.
If flax is available, I just wanted to note that it does not need to be ground, since you mentioned that. I think whole flax is about as good of fat supplement as can be had.
I have a good bit of experience with alfalfa, whole oats, and flax as the sole diet and really I don't feel extra mineral is necessary. I feed that and don't give a mineral supplement to some pretty competitive horses. There are a lot of choices if you were to really want to supplement. A purina 12:12 block would be a good choice, I think.
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| We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories... |
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| I think we'll start with oats, dac oil, and a mineral block. I'm going to talk to the local feed store about getting renew gold. They're listed as a dealer but don't stock it |
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do :)
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
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| Tdove - 2016-01-05 2:02 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do : )
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
Where is the best place to purchase flax? How much do you feed per day & ground or whole seed? |
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| Forgot to mention I do feed about an oz of dac oil as well to help get the supplement to stick and horses eat it readily. |
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