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| So I fell in love with the way First Down French turns. I have watched several of his offspring clock well turning this way and I want to know how to train it. I know that horses will all be just a tad different and will tweak what you teach them to match their own abilities and preferences but I want to know how to teach the basics of this turn. So from what I am seeing, these horses hold their long stride all the way past the barrel and sink into a roll back and take off. I have seen rollback styles before but never any that dont shorten their stride. These horses rarely ever stop reaching. I also notice these horses come up the middle of the pen further and make more of a L shape to the first. Anyone who knows of videos of other horses turning this way PLEASE share. I am totally infatuated lol.
I have always been taught to pick a rate point before the barrels and collect there and turn more of a circle. These horses rate before the barrel but dont shorten stride and their turns look like < and > |
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Location: So Cal | I think it's the way Katie trains- she posts slow videos of her horses on YouTube, too. Really keeps their feet moving on the backside. I've sat and watched her videos for awhile before as I think she does a great job! |
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Location: MD | I know I wish Katie McCaslan did clinics or even how to videos! |
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| https://youtu.be/qYfL1kLRUJE
least rollback that i saw of the offspring https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=aJ4J6wpNhoA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3iPLzkFkqQ&feature=youtu.be
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| CE's wrapn3 - 2016-01-11 2:24 PM
I know I wish Katie McCaslan did clinics or even how to videos!
dude I would so pay to see from scratch videos lol
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| turnnburnkota - 2016-01-11 2:24 PM
I think it's the way Katie trains- she posts slow videos of her horses on YouTube, too. Really keeps their feet moving on the backside. I've sat and watched her videos for awhile before as I think she does a great job!
what is her youtube name? The links she posted the other day are from a video company |
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Just watch ones that say slow work, or barrel work... :) |
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Location: SE Missouri | I love watching the foals and the stud work on these videos. I don't consider him or these foal to be a roll back style at all (one was mentioned as being the least roll back). The body and nose have some bend and all feet keep moving.
The roll back suckers I rode were straight in pivot stay stiff and right back out. |
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A lot of that is just the fact that she knows what kind of horse she likes. Her stallion throws that type of turn (just like the DTF horses all seem to have that certain style). Then you couple that with an ability to stay out of their way and VIOLA!, you have a winner! :)
PS... If I were to get another baby or breed a mare, Chopper would be my stallion of choice. I retained a couple of eggs from my DTF mare but still can't quite make myself do it. But if you're considering breeding Katie is great to work with.
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| grinandbareit - 2016-01-11 3:34 PM
A lot of that is just the fact that she knows what kind of horse she likes. Her stallion throws that type of turn (just like the DTF horses all seem to have that certain style). Then you couple that with an ability to stay out of their way and VIOLA!, you have a winner! :)
PS... If I were to get another baby or breed a mare, Chopper would be my stallion of choice. I retained a couple of eggs from my DTF mare but still can't quite make myself do it. But if you're considering breeding Katie is great to work with.
I'm mailing my check to her next week lol. I love me some chopper |
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Location: Florida | Start in a round pen. Use your leg to move him off the fence then turn into the fence and roll back neck reining. In the open work on figure 8's, always neck reining. He will learn that when you are past the barrel, you sit down, neck rein just a little and he will roll back. While working on the fence make sure you teach powering off from the turn. no hesitation, that is where the money is. |
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Location: South Dakota | January 2012 issue of Barrel Horse News, has a great article on Katie's training program... |
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| ridejg - 2016-01-12 7:56 AM
January 2012 issue of Barrel Horse News, has a great article on Katie's training program...
thank you!
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| Vickie - 2016-01-11 8:42 PM
Start in a round pen. Use your leg to move him off the fence then turn into the fence and roll back neck reining. In the open work on figure 8's, always neck reining. He will learn that when you are past the barrel, you sit down, neck rein just a little and he will roll back. While working on the fence make sure you teach powering off from the turn. no hesitation, that is where the money is.
thank you!
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| Ok so I watched quite a bit yesterday and I'm watching again today. It looks like she uses a lot of inside leg and tips their nose in but keeping their body straight and goes by the barrel to a certain point (usually to the hip) and then asks them to pickup their front end and roll over their hocks and straighten out before leaving the barrel.
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-12 9:29 AM Ok so I watched quite a bit yesterday and I'm watching again today. It looks like she uses a lot of inside leg and tips their nose in but keeping their body straight and goes by the barrel to a certain point (usually to the hip) and then asks them to pickup their front end and roll over their hocks and straighten out before leaving the barrel. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. lol.
My gray turns kind of like hers do and that's how I tune him. The big key with Chance is to keep his hip from floating out away from the barrel at the rate point. If he gets his hip to the outside, he can't set his feet and come around smoothly. |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2016-01-12 9:58 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-12 9:29 AM Ok so I watched quite a bit yesterday and I'm watching again today. It looks like she uses a lot of inside leg and tips their nose in but keeping their body straight and goes by the barrel to a certain point (usually to the hip) and then asks them to pickup their front end and roll over their hocks and straighten out before leaving the barrel. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. lol.
My gray turns kind of like hers do and that's how I tune him. The big key with Chance is to keep his hip from floating out away from the barrel at the rate point. If he gets his hip to the outside, he can't set his feet and come around smoothly.
Ok so I have a dumb question lol. Im still watching her videos and trying to take notes lol. I am a nerd and will remember it if I wrote it down :) Anywho, where is your rate point? In all of these videos I have only seen her STOP a horse once and it looked like it was just because that horse was getting a little pushy going to the first and she stopped him way before the barrel so I don't think she wanted to associate the barrel with that kind of a stop. I can see she asks her horses to rate/ slow down about 7' from the barrel. Again, I have never seen her stop them but I see her ask some to slow their roll with her hands and seat. At a trot, she doesn't stop posting until the roll over point. About 7-10' from each barrel she will start to ask for the nose to be tipped and you see the horses shoulder move out and hip move in and sometimes a slow in speed (but not always), but she continues to post until the roll over point. So where is the rate point? LOL
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Location: The Great Northwest | rodeowithjoker - 2016-01-13 6:58 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-12 9:29 AM Ok so I watched quite a bit yesterday and I'm watching again today. It looks like she uses a lot of inside leg and tips their nose in but keeping their body straight and goes by the barrel to a certain point (usually to the hip) and then asks them to pickup their front end and roll over their hocks and straighten out before leaving the barrel. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. lol. My gray turns kind of like hers do and that's how I tune him. The big key with Chance is to keep his hip from floating out away from the barrel at the rate point. If he gets his hip to the outside, he can't set his feet and come around smoothly.
If the hip is floating, that is not rate or collection to me. It would be that your horse is stiffening at that spot. The giving of the head is not collection. It is just not the way it works. |
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| skye - 2016-01-12 10:16 AM
rodeowithjoker - 2016-01-13 6:58 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-12 9:29 AM Ok so I watched quite a bit yesterday and I'm watching again today. It looks like she uses a lot of inside leg and tips their nose in but keeping their body straight and goes by the barrel to a certain point (usually to the hip) and then asks them to pickup their front end and roll over their hocks and straighten out before leaving the barrel. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. lol. My gray turns kind of like hers do and that's how I tune him. The big key with Chance is to keep his hip from floating out away from the barrel at the rate point. If he gets his hip to the outside, he can't set his feet and come around smoothly.
So I have a question about this. What would you do to correct it other than go the "does he hurt" route? Just work on softness of the pattern and come back slow and work on him staying up under himself at a trot- ect? |
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| The one thing I would change is how bad they lean going into the turn. While they stand up on the backside, that leaning going in can be dangerous on slick ground. It's a cool style and obviously works for her. |
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