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| I can hear all your moans and groans from here. Stop belly aching and just hear me out because it's not what you think.
(Let me bring up that I was right that they'd bring up Cruz's eligability and you thought I was wrong)
(When you tried to convice me Palin was irrelevant and I scuffed I was right because her endorsement is still making news)
But again, NOT what I'm here to say because what I have to say is much worse.
When Palin endorsed Trump I was floored. Not because she agrees with him but because that's not her M.O. Love her, hate her...I don't care anymore, I've moved on...BUT one little thing is bothering me and I can't get any work done...
Sarah is awfully good at at reading tea leaves. I think her endorsement is a sure sign she feels the party is going to split.
Yep. Right. In. Half.
I think she believes Trump will not get the GOP nod because they are all going to whine and cry and break some rules. And if he DOES, then some other schmuck is going to run third party...doesn't matter how you slice it, she is afraid of this split happening so she added her name to the Trump bandwagon as warning to those evangelical and TEA voters just where their loyalty needs to be when this catastrophic thing takes place.
This doesn't mean that Trump will win in this scenario, likely it hands things over to Billary. It does mean that Sarah knows that that GOP is a rotted party full of men in the trenches that don't want to let go of Mr. Establishment and would rather chew off it's own leg then let Trump win the nod.
This is just her wake up call for everyone to stay the course because politics is about to take 'dirty' to a whole new level.
Aren't you glad I'm back talking politics? NO? Awe,that hurts. 
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Location: Montana | I thought about Cruz's eligibility clear back last year. I'm also surprised at Palin endorsing trump, but her no-show at Iowa has me somewhat surprised as well. It is going to be an interesting election... |
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| mtcanchazer - 2016-01-22 11:56 AM I thought about Cruz's eligibility clear back last year. I'm also surprised at Palin endorsing trump, but her no-show at Iowa has me somewhat surprised as well. It is going to be an interesting election...
I believe she is stumping for him in Okalahoma. As much as she respects Cruz, he can't beat whomever the Dems nominate. |
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Location: Kansas | I don't think a party split is all the problem. Our country is overflowing with illegals who will get to vote, and because of entitlements, voting with Democrats is the huge problem. Republicans are working to stop Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. and the Dems are firmly standing in the way, even given the havoc these refugee "men" are causing in Europe. There could be only one reason.
There should be more political threads. Too many people have no clue what's happening in this country.
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| Frodo - 2016-01-22 12:10 PM I don't think a party split is all the problem. I think our country overflowing with illegals who will get to vote, and because of entitlements, vote with Democrats is the huge problem. Republicans are working to stop Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. and the Dems are firmly standing in the way, even given the havoc these refugee "men" are causing in Europe. There could be only one reason.
I think there should be more political threads. Too many people have no clue what's happening in this country.
I agree. They just deny, deny, deny... |
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Location: Oregon | Trump is the only candidate with a chance at beating Billary. And if the GOP splits off there goes that chance, and we'll be stuck with her. Palin's endorsement will hurt, not help Trump - he needs to not align himself with her. The evangical and tea candidates ARE NOT ELECTABLE, so those factions need to vote for Trump or force us to endure 4 or 8 more years of garbage. |
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Location: Oregon | I am not a Trump fan but I'm voting for him because I think he's the only one with the guns to beat Hilary. Why anyone would vote for her is beyond me but it's gonna happen. I am encouraging all democrats I know to vote for Bernie. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM
She will be the death of Trump.Â
I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
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Location: Montana | fatchance - 2016-01-21 1:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. Agree.
Let's, just for argument sake, without getting nasty or getting the thread zapped, say that Hillary is our best choice...on the Democrat's side of course. Considering what we know about both sides, Trump's and Hillary's, even without a party split by the Republican's, I feel like Hillary has the better resources and ability to be voted in as the next President.
Several reasons:
1st. While the Democrat's side is by no means popular, the majority of the under income, illegals, legal but under privileged, are more likely to vote for the supposed liberality of the Democrats's, and in this case Hillary. In other words, at the current economy, the majority of the nation would rather vote for the liberality of the Democrat's. Unlike the Senate, the national vote doesn't require a 2/3rds decision. So if it is anything on the majority, they win. Who knows what the electoral college will do.
2nd. Hillary would be the first woman President, should she win. For some people, that is more important than politics. If you look at history, without sounding biased or racist or sexist (remember I'm a woman) you will notice that African Americans had privileges before women did: the right to vote one of them. So as order of events should go, we have already had an African American as President, so we'll likely have a woman for President next. Also, a large majority of the vote will be woman (let's say 50% of the vote, again for arguments sake), and many (not all) will side with her for that reason.
3rd. Hillary has been through this before...with Bill. She knows the in's, the out's, the up's, the down's. She would know more ways on how to achieve what she wants and get more votes. She hasn't figured it all out yet, but how much of a better teacher could there be than a President that has served two terms, with an impeachment (although not allowed to stand), and knows more ways to get the public. Bill has a legacy that people either like or hate, and part of that will also follow Hillary around.
Also, a little sidenote, the Democrat side is currently the oldest political party in the country, with the first full Democrat President being Andrew Jackson, while we've actually had more Republican Presidents.
But, if you would like a better insight into politics, I would recommend reading Advise and Consent by Allen Drury. Politics is far dirtier than any of us know, and the craftiest one wins often. Truth, often, does not, unfortunately.
But remember, what I wrote is for arguments sake on how I see the election going, not to raise an ire.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Sarah is pretty useless, in my opinion. She's a flash in the pan whose time has passed. She might make a very small difference, at best.
I do appreciate how she shined a big spotlight on crony capitalism, but since then she's accomplished nothing noteworthy. She irritates the hell out of the left, and in that respect, she can be a useful lightning rod, I suppose.
The GOP needed a shakeup. In fact, all of politics in the U.S. is in dire need of a shakeup. This is why Trump's popularity has far exceeded everyone's expectations. People are fed up. |
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| I am getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. The Establishment (politicians and media) refuse to believe that Trump has the support he has and/or are waiting for him to implode. My feeling is that if he gets the nomination and the popular vote, the Electoral College will put someone else in his place (they don't HAVE to vote they way the electorate does) and we will get another establishment crony no matter what. They DO NOT want their way of life and their cushy set up to be challenged in any way.
If a semi-viable 3rd party runs, we are sure to be stuck with Hillary,unless somehow she ends up in jail. If THAT happens we will have a declared Socialist as president.
Hubby and I have been racking ours brains as to just where we can flee/emigrate to if any of these alternatives come to pass.
I cannot say that I am an unquestioning supporter of Trump, but if he gets the nomination I will surely vote for him. The same if Cruz, Rubio or Carson get the nod, but I SURE would like to get a capable, non-career politician in office.
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| komet. - 2016-01-21 2:34 PM fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
Agree, same conversation I had with my husband last night. We both had the same thought that she is not helping him at all, and who in the world thought her speech was a good idea?? |
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Location: Oregon | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-21 1:15 PM komet. - 2016-01-21 2:34 PM fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
I can't believe Trump let this happen. I'm just hoping he's got a plan and this is part of it since he's a flim flam man. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | fatchance - 2016-01-21 12:19 PM
She will be the death of Trump.Â
I happen to agree. I was not thrilled when she announced. She needs to fade away. I'm no prude but her family is a mess. |
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Glad you are back!!! I have being wondering since Palin came out for Trump what you thought. I have been watching the comments on her face book page clearly more running against her than for her. IMO Palin is only jumping on the band wagon of the outsider that she sees that best chance at getting the nomination. I don't agree with her. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | If you people think Palin is terriable what the blank do you think hillary is. |
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| Isn't everything, all of it, all the players just a bit bizzarre? I can't back Palin anymore because I have no idea who she's become. But why would Trump who is dominating bring her in if there isn't going to in fact be some kind of shake up within the party? Why would you need what Sarah brings to the table? Okay, so she has solid followers with TEA and Evangelicals. You can't win without them, Mitt tried and his campaign gained six million LESS votes than McCain and Palin. It's going to split folks...If actors can boycott the Oscars when you have a black host, I guess the Republicans can boycott the RNC because your man is too white/rich and outspoken. Its going to be a flipping mess. I'm just thinking Trump decided to play the wild card. |
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Location: Florida.. | Or the fellow contenders knew he was front runner and hired her to do this.. conspirecy theory |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Trump is masterful at playing the media like a pimp plays a whore. He says things that would have led to the demise of any politician, yet because he is not a career politician, he gets a pass. He looks for opportunities to make outrageous comments and the media comes running, eager to witness his self destruction. Once that happens, he smiles, shrugs his shoulders, and explains or revises his remark. For example he made the remark that he would ban Muslim immigration into this country. Half the people were ecstatic, and the other half gave a collective gasp. The media came running, eager to get their politically correct jabs in on him. Then, Trump explains and modifies his statement to basically mean a temporary ban on all immigration from all countries known to be sources of terrorism....which happen to be Muslim...."at least until we get things figured out." In a subtle way, he has this "aw shucks" schtick about him that enables him to make politically incorrect remarks and get away with them for three reasons: 1. He's not a career politician, 2. He's anti-establishment, and, 3. He uses his hatred of political correctness as a license to be politically INcorrect, almost deliberately. He has almost succeeded in making politically incorrect remarks fashionable, much to the chagrin of the establishment and the media.
People are pis$ed off like never before. Trump seizes on the obvious and harnesses the collective energy of the angry mob. He is purposely vague because he uses Gestalt psychology to drive his campaign. He knows that most people only care about the big picture and they want something done about it. They see our southern border and they want it fixed.....Trump promises a big wall. They see China, Japan, and Mexico making fools out of us......Trump promises to fix it. They see ObamaCare as a huge, unpopular mess.....The Donald will get rid of it. They are afraid of ISIS.....the Donald will "bomb the hell out of them" and take oil as payment for our services.
They see the Iran-nuclear treaty as a bad deal......Trump will rip it up.
Everyone else expected to give specifics.......most people seem to not care about specifics when it comes to Trump. That's because people seem to feel he will get it done, and they don't care how. |
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