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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-25 11:23 PM
Subject: Tying Up Help


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I have a 9 year old mare who has begun recently tying up. I have owned her for 4 years and never had a problem, even when she was in a pretty heavy exercise/competition schedule. She got sore this fall in her hocks. Gave her a few weeks of light work, injected her hocks, put her on osphos and she felt great! About a week later she began strange things while being worked. Not wanting to hold herself up while trotting and loping circles and not wanting to move out (long trot/canter). She was very eager to walk and or stop(very abnormal for her.) Called the vet, he thought maybe she was still sore and came out and checked her out. He thought she was fine (didn’t flex off and x rays showed no changes) and felt we needed to give the osphos more time to work.  

Put her back to easy work and her stride would change after a few laps at the trot(when her stride changes she gets short in the back end) I insisted we run blood work and was correct in my suspicions. Her short term and long term muscle enzymes showed repeated tie up episodes. He prescribed a month off from riding and to put her on a selenium/vitamin E supplement along with a few diet changes. I began gently to put her back to work beginning of Jan and have had a nagging feeling she still isn’t right. My suspicions were confirmed on Saturday when her symptoms were more obvious. Her symptoms are unlike the majority of tie ups, she does not sweat, her muscles do not “lock up” and she is not in any distress. The only way one can tell is by looking at her chest/pec muscles and by her stride change.

I am at loss for what to do. She is a nice little mare however I am a broke college student and have already spend over a $1000 dollars at the vets in the past two months. I really can’t afford to run every test under the sun on her. Anyways kudos if you read this far. I am hoping my BHW bbs have some insight or suggestions for me. TIA!!!


Edited by gypsykalgirl 2016-01-26 2:10 AM
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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2016-01-25 11:27 PM
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Is she on a low starch high fat feed?
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-25 11:33 PM
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When she began tying up she was on alfalfa hay and getting  2 lbs of Ultium a day along with Trifecta. Since then she has been switched to timothy hay and is getting 8 oz of Ultium, Trifecta(all in one supplement),1 lb of rice bran and the vitamin E/selenium supplement. 
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Anniemae
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2016-01-26 12:47 AM
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You can test her for PSSM1 through Animal Genetics for $45. 5 panel is $105 There is a PSSM group on FB - they have a ton of information on that page if you are interested.

Vitamin E must be natural, not synthetic. 

Edited by Anniemae 2016-01-26 12:48 AM
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roxieannie
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2016-01-26 7:16 AM
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 First off, get your horse off all sugars. Read up on PSSM. 
FB has a PSSM page with lots of good information. As previous poster, test thru animal genitics. 
Be aware, there is a PSSM 1 you can test for thru DNA. PSSM 2 needs a biopsy to confirm. ( I did not do a biopsy) diet change worked wonders for my guy. 
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-26 10:53 PM
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Anniemae - 2016-01-25 10:47 PM You can test her for PSSM1 through Animal Genetics for $45. 5 panel is $105 There is a PSSM group on FB - they have a ton of information on that page if you are interested.



Vitamin E must be natural, not synthetic. 

Thanks for the info! Didn’t realize it needed to be natural. Maybe that will do the trick!
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-26 10:55 PM
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roxieannie - 2016-01-26 5:16 AM  First off, get your horse off all sugars. Read up on PSSM. 

FB has a PSSM page with lots of good information. As previous poster, test thru animal genitics. 

Be aware, there is a PSSM 1 you can test for thru DNA. PSSM 2 needs a biopsy to confirm. ( I did not do a biopsy) diet change worked wonders for my guy. 

I will try and join the forum! Thanks for info! What symptoms did your gelding exhibit? 
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2016-01-27 5:15 AM
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Get her off all grains. Feed something like Renew Gold and Alfalfa and I feed Timothy Free Choice. You might also try CurOst Total and add Adapt. Most tke.ups are from too high grain diet ,pain and stress .
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Bibliafarm
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2016-01-27 6:44 AM
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 Make sure you are warming up and cooling down properly.. it is very important..and horses that tye up need to move around and usually do not take a few days off. you can do Light exercises daily..  and also switch to a low starch grain if she needs any at all..
PSSM I suspect as well.. Warming up and Cooling is vital ..
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roxieannie
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2016-01-27 8:33 AM
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 Also do a search on BHW on PSSM. 
My horses symptoms, had to lung him after a few days off before riding  him. Had a slight mystery lameness that several vets could not see. 
Every once in a while, felt like his hind end would step in a hole. ( no holes at that time

he he responded to a PSSM diet, knew I was on the right track. Although tested negative for PSSM 1.
The pieces really fell together when I read  PSSM 2 horses respond well to a high protein high fat diet. 


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ThreeCorners
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2016-01-27 8:34 AM
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 Also electrolytes are crucial to proper muscle function. Is she on a electrolyte suppliment?
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Tdove
Reg. Apr 2015
Posted 2016-01-27 9:44 AM
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Put him on DMG. If it ties up again, get a muscle biopsy sent off right away. Your vet should have done this. Give at least a week off if he has symptoms now. You have to let the muscles recover after an episode. Then lightly work and build up.
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RunNitroRun
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2016-01-27 12:24 PM
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Sure sounds like she's either PSSM1 or PSSM2, I'd start with the hair analysis and if it comes back negative go for the muscle biopsy. Take her off all starchy foods and make sure to warm up and cool down enough to avoid issues.

Also, do not stall the horse. If she's PSSM it's best that they can move around at all times to avoid tying up.
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-27 10:22 PM
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ThreeCorners - 2016-01-27 6:34 AM  Also electrolytes are crucial to proper muscle function. Is she on a electrolyte suppliment?

Not currently on Electrolytes. Will grab some. Thanks! 
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-27 10:23 PM
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readytorodeo - 2016-01-27 3:15 AM Get her off all grains. Feed something like Renew Gold and Alfalfa and I feed Timothy Free Choice. You might also try CurOst Total and add Adapt. Most tke.ups are from too high grain diet ,pain and stress .

I have been wanting to try Curost! However I can't afford to do that along with everything else at the moment. Hopefully in the next month or so I can afford to try it. 

Edited by gypsykalgirl 2016-01-27 10:24 PM
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-27 10:26 PM
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RunNitroRun - 2016-01-27 10:24 AM Sure sounds like she's either PSSM1 or PSSM2, I'd start with the hair analysis and if it comes back negative go for the muscle biopsy. Take her off all starchy foods and make sure to warm up and cool down enough to avoid issues. Also, do not stall the horse. If she's PSSM it's best that they can move around at all times to avoid tying up.

I took her off all her grain today. She is now on alfalfa pellets, rice bran, vegetable oil, and vitamin E/selenium. 
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gypsykalgirl
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2016-01-27 10:30 PM
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Since posting I have read up on PSSM. She fits 37% of the most common symptoms. Took her off all grain and will be sending in a hair sample. Neither of her parents have ever been 5 panel tested so it is very probable she has PSSM. Thank you all so much!!! 
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mollibtexan
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2016-01-27 11:03 PM
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ReLeve feed, soak coastal hay in water, warm up slow
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mollibtexan
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2016-01-27 11:04 PM
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Take her off all alfalfa including the pellets
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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2016-01-27 11:12 PM
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mollibtexan - 2016-01-28 12:04 AM

Take her off all alfalfa including the pellets

 agree...NO ALFALFA
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