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| I can't seem to keep my stirrups behind me.. my gelding throws me forward every time at the first barrel, no matter how much i prepare for it, which throws our whole run off and I'm just behind a stride the whole time! The saddle i currently ride him in gives me plenty of room (new 15" triple creek) might even be a half size to big, but its worked for all my other horses. My stirrups are correct length but i was just wondering if anyone else had problems with there triple creek throwing them forward. and saddle that helped them stay square in the saddle?
ive tired, pro rider and martin and do not like them.
i was thinking a Tammy fisher treeless or maybe something with forward hung stirrups? |
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Location: So. Cali. | My Double J Pro has a nice deep seat and forward hung stirrups so I dont have to fight to keep my feet infront of me. Treeless could defiantly help, havnt ran in a Tammy Fisher, just the original Bob Marshall. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2016-02-03 2:10 PM I can't seem to keep my stirrups behind me.. my gelding throws me forward every time at the first barrel, no matter how much i prepare for it, which throws our whole run off and I'm just behind a stride the whole time! The saddle i currently ride him in gives me plenty of room (new 15" triple creek) might even be a half size to big, but its worked for all my other horses. My stirrups are correct length but i was just wondering if anyone else had problems with there triple creek throwing them forward. and saddle that helped them stay square in the saddle? ive tired, pro rider and martin and do not like them. i was thinking a Tammy fisher treeless or maybe something with forward hung stirrups?
I'd try some other saddles. I've never riden a pro rider, but Martin is the only saddle brand I've had issues getting my feet behind me in.....I had several of the things.
Might try a Double J, Shiloh, Purdy - there's a million options.
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Location: Northwest Florida | Does this happen no matter what horse you ride in this saddle, or only your gelding? |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I have a Tammy Fischer and it would be great for this. It will definitely keep you from being thrown forward. |
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| yes, this is the only horse that throws me forward, the saddle seat is not to small, if anything to big. i have rode martin and pro rider and do not like them. i used to ride in a tammy fisher and for sure kept me in my seat but was like sitting in a high chair i couldn't move at all. |
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| The two Triple Creeks I've ridden threw me forward. How are you built physically? This will have a lot of bearing on what saddles you can comfortably ride. Try to find someone with a similar physical build and height that is designing and endorsing saddles. Ride a saddle of theirs, and you might be surprised how good it feels. |
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Location: USA | I had this issue with my gelding. Is your guy downhill by any chance? When your saddle is on your horse, is the cantle higher than the swell? |
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| The horse could be dumping on the front end causing you to be thrown forward, this could be his style, how he was trained, or his hocks hurt so he is not using them. |
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Location: OK | Gullet. May be too wide for your horse. |
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| jojammer - 2016-02-03 9:13 PM
Gullet. May be too wide for your horse.
^^This^^. At least it was the biggest part of my problem to a new to me mare that I got 1 1/2 years ago. I did not realize that the saddle I was using on most every other horse was an 8" gullet. Add to this the fact that she is 3" shorter in the front end than the back and problem is made that much worse by the fact that she drops and pivots to turn on the first barrel. Took me about 5 months and various saddles to figure it out. In the meanwhile I was trick riding around the first barrel and tore my hip socket up before we started getting things right. I currently ride her in a 7" wide Martha Josey with the old Jackpot tree and use a built up pad to gain that extra inch in height (I think a 6 - 6 1/2 gullet would fit her better but I really NEED that extra inch height).
I still had the same issues in another 7" gullet saddle that was ordered as a 15" but turned out to be a 14" seat. I could not lock myself in to the horn so I was pulling myself down before the turn, so you have to analyze things as you try saddles. Now when she drops on her turn I am able to push against the horn (it seems like my arm is straight down) and stay where I need to be.
My issue was not about getting my legs behind but about me being forced to ride downhill. I gave her a few months off after our finals (and a bad cut) and the first time I got on her I found that I had forgotten just how downhill she is. I feel like I am riding down a steep hill all the time until my body gets adjusted to the feeling.
Man, this barrel racing thing can be tough on an (cough) old lady. My poor hip socket (internal ligaments) took almost a year to heal up after the trick riding thing disappeared> You should try it on the racetrack pens we run up here. Somehow I never missed the second barrel but it sure cost in time.
Good luck and keep asking questions. It took the calf roper I had been hauling with all summer to see that I was pulling myself down BEFORE she dropped in the smaller saddle. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I use treeless now for this reason.. My big horse is slightly downhill, but also his turning style he drops and cows a barrel then being so huge he really pushes out..I get dashboarded going in , then have to recover for the push off..
The treeless is just much more secure.. ( lightness is a bonus) I have observed at races the JBN has fwd stirrups and having full fenders may be better for keeping legs forward and stable . I have an older Y Bob , I prefer bigger cantle and taller horn . More Tammy's around then others around here. |
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-02-03 5:44 PM The two Triple Creeks I've ridden threw me forward. How are you built physically? This will have a lot of bearing on what saddles you can comfortably ride. Try to find someone with a similar physical build and height that is designing and endorsing saddles. Ride a saddle of theirs, and you might be surprised how good it feels.
Oh i dont like reading this.. I just ordered one.... |
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Location: Idaho | I would check your horse, make sure he is not sore anywhere. Usually when horses throw you forward, it's often that they are putting all of their weight on their front end(which creates that jerking motion) and aren't using their hind end properly. He also might have just been trained to stop on his front end.. but usually there is a reason for it. I would stick to making sure he is not sore anywhere.. especially if he only does it on his first barrel. |
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Location: Oregon | Put bucking rolls on your saddle. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I was having the same problem with my gelding. No matter what I did or what saddle I tried. It was the way he was built. I had a Best Ever pad made and had shims put in it and it stopped the problem for me. |
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Location: Midwest | classicpotatochip - 2016-02-03 5:44 PM The two Triple Creeks I've ridden threw me forward. How are you built physically? This will have a lot of bearing on what saddles you can comfortably ride. Try to find someone with a similar physical build and height that is designing and endorsing saddles. Ride a saddle of theirs, and you might be surprised how good it feels.
Good advice.
I ride a Crown C... and while I'm not as tall as Cervi, I am lean built like her with a longer torso and longer leg. Makes a lot of sense. My saddle does not throw me forward, though my old Billy Cook did, so I feel your pain! Good luck! |
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Location: NE Texas | Lots of good points here. I have found for me that if the seat is too small I have these issues. I'm top heavy and have to have a saddle that sits me on my pockets with my feet just a smidge in front of my hip. I can ride a 14" seat easily, but it affects where my feet hang in relation to my hip, so I need something with a bit more room to keep the angle right. I also like a saddle with a little bit more front end in it, so I had a Jeff Smith cutter made and cut down to a regular barrel saddle. This saddle keeps you on your pockets and from getting thrown forward on the hardest turning horses, as it's made to sit down in, like on a cutting horse who is coming back through himself on a cow.
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| barrelracr131 - 2016-02-05 8:18 AM
classicpotatochip - 2016-02-03 5:44 PM The two Triple Creeks I've ridden threw me forward. How are you built physically? This will have a lot of bearing on what saddles you can comfortably ride. Try to find someone with a similar physical build and height that is designing and endorsing saddles. Ride a saddle of theirs, and you might be surprised how good it feels.
Good advice.
I ride a Crown C... and while I'm not as tall as Cervi, I am lean built like her with a longer torso and longer leg. Makes a lot of sense. My saddle does not throw me forward, though my old Billy Cook did, so I feel your pain! Good luck!
I agree with finding a saddle by someone who is built like you, it made a world of difference for me.
Also, my Kelly K saddle will throw me forward if I don't have it properly positioned on my mare. Maybe look to see if it is too far up on the withers? |
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