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Location: In my own little world | From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point! |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | ropenrun - 2016-02-04 9:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
This is what I've gotten too. But what I haven't heard is what the WPRA will do about the barrel racers who have a stake/ownership/whatever (Fallon). I'm assuming WPRA follow the tune of the PRCA. |
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| I heard they drew out the ERA guys that made the second go at Ft Worth. Guess they got their wish of traveling less for the time being. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | bccanchaser16 - 2016-02-04 11:35 PM ropenrun - 2016-02-04 9:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point! This is what I've gotten too. But what I haven't heard is what the WPRA will do about the barrel racers who have a stake/ownership/whatever (Fallon ). I'm assuming WPRA follow the tune of the PRCA.
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | I read a response on Jill Tanner Cooper's FB wall that said spouses of ERA shareholders were also not allowed to compete as they were also considered shareholders. A spouse of a shareholder was telling her that. |
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Location: Kansas | SKM - 2016-02-05 3:13 AM
I heard they drew out the ERA guys that made the second go at Ft Worth. Guess they got their wish of traveling less for the time being.
Oh boy, would I love to be a fly on the wall in that rodeo secretary's office.... |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Shorty 2 - 2016-02-05 9:07 AM I read a response on Jill Tanner Cooper's FB wall that said spouses of ERA shareholders were also not allowed to compete as they were also considered shareholders. A spouse of a shareholder was telling her that.
Then you would get down to the nitty gritty of community property states, which lawyers are going to love. Which opens up another big can of worms. |
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Location: The edge of no where | The fact that it was driven to a lawsuit just makes me sad. There's some awfully good people that this is going to be hard on. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | MS2011 - 2016-02-05 10:00 AM The fact that it was driven to a lawsuit just makes me sad. There's some awfully good people that this is going to be hard on.
Like who?
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Where or How are you finding out these updates? Just curious because I'd like to keep up with it and the only updates I find are here on BHW.
ALso, is there a list of the owners/shareholders of the ERA? Is it all the contestants that are invited to compete or is there a specific list? |
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Location: Wisconsin | I saw a FB post shared this morning...... the page was called Cuttin' up I think, or something along those lines. |
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| Yep this is sad....the PRCA, WPRA, and ERA should work together to bring rodeo to the next level. The amount of money earned by professional rodeo athletes is next to nothing compared to pro athletes in other sports. To be honest with out sponsors very few professional cowboys and cowgirls would be able to go down the road and stay there. I believe each association has the pros and cons, and if the ERA and PRCA could work together I believe the marketing scheme of the ERA combined with the foundation/longevity of the PRCA; rodeo could really become a main stream sport. Them at each others throats is not going to do what the other was established to do. |
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| ropenrun - 2016-02-04 11:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
So, do those guys get their fees back? |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | iheartrodeo - 2016-02-05 9:39 AM
ropenrun - 2016-02-04 11:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. Â I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
So, do those guys get their fees back?
They get their fees back |
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ERA v PRCA Preliminary Injunction Opinion Explainer
What the judge had to say about the ERA's request for preliminary injunction and the PRCA's request for dismissal
By Chelsea Toy
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By the time I press publish on this blog post, you've probably already read a myriad of opinions blasted all over Facebook and Twitter regarding the opinion by the Hon. Barbara M. G. Lynn, United States District Judge of the Northern District of Texas.
In her opinion released yesterday, she denied both the plaintiff's (the ERA's) motion for a preliminary injunction to allow ERA shareholders to compete in ProRodeo while the lawsuit is being settled, as well as the defendant's (the PRCA's) motion to dismiss the case.
Judge Lynn released a 22-page opinion on the matter. In it, she found:
"The Court concludes that Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that they will suffer irreparable harm absent a preliminary injunction, nor that they are likely to succeed on the merits their claims. However, Plaintiffs have pled sufficient facts to raise their prospects for relief above a speculative level."
The judge's opinion took issue with the ERA claim that the PRCA's bylaws will cause irreparable harm to the cowboy's careers. She wrote:
"The Court concludes that Plaintiffs have not presented sufficient evidence to support their positions. The evidence shows that ERA members are projected to be able to earn as much through ERA rodeos as they previously earned through the PRCA. For example, Plaintiffs presented evidence regarding Bobby Mote’s net earnings. He testified that his net earnings in 2015 were $30,000: approximately $100,000 earned at forty-eight regular season rodeos, and $40,000 at the NFR, offset by $110,000 in costs for medical expenses, travel, entry fees, and the like.26 For the ERA’s 2016 regular season events, the evidence was that a very successful ERA competitor could earn approximately $80,000 at regular season ERA events,27 and an additional $3 million will be awarded at the World Championship.28 The ERA’s business model also minimizes the athletes’ expenses, by eliminating entry fees which can exceed $20,000 per year,29 and reducing the number of rodeos ERA competitors attend, thus reducing travel costs which can exceed $50,000 per year. 30 An ERA member could thus potentially accrue gross earnings of $80,000 in eight trips, instead of $100,000 in forty-eight.
"Further, the ERA did not prove that its owners would be excluded or impeded from lucrative “open rodeos,” which are not sanctioned by any sanctioning body, most significantly RodeoHouston, Calgary Stampede, and The American. RodeoHouston awarded approximately $2 million in prizes in 2012, and The American has announced plans to award a purse worth $3 million in 2016. Currently, participation in those rodeos is largely based on performance in the PRCA, but ERA owners participated in PRCA rodeos in 2015, and thus, to the extent invitations to open rodeos are based on the previous year’s NFR results, it appears ERA owners’ eligibility for this year is already determined. (If that assumption of the Court is incorrect, it is due to Plaintiffs’ failure to prove otherwise.) Further, Plaintiffs made no showing that, in the future, if the top rodeo athletes do not participate in the PRCA, open rodeos will likely continue to invite participants based only on PRCA standings."
The judge also found that:
"Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that the PRCA has the power to exclude competition or that other barriers to entry to the relevant market exist. Instead, the initial success the ERA has experienced so far, despite the PRCA’s obvious hostility, indicates that the PRCA does not have the ability to exclude competitors from the market: Plaintiffs have recruited eighty of the top contestants in the sport as its owners and competitors, and secured contracts with the City of Dallas, a high-profile performance venue, and a major television network."
Judge Lynn did not rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
Essentially, this court battle is far from over. There are far more unknowns now, particularly with regard to logistics. Will non-ERA cowboys be drawn out of rodeos with their ERA partners, or will they be allowed to replace their money? (Aaron Tsinigine, for example, whose partner Ryan Motes may not be allowed to compete at San Angelo and San Antonio, where they've already entered.) And how will payouts for current rodeos be affected? (Think Rapid City, led by ERA's Kaleb Driggers and Junior Nogueira, with Tsinigine and Motes winning second? Will Tsinigine get to win that second-place money? Or will he bump to first alone? Or not get paid at all for entering with an ineligible partner?)
For our part, we've asked these logistics questions of the PRCA, but a PRCA spokesman said they won't comment on those logistics until everything has been properly handled internally. In a statement released this morning, though, the PRCA did say that "The PRCA Bylaws at issue will be immediately enforced."
As for the ERA cowboys, team ropers Trevor Brazile and Ryan Motes both reiterated their commitment to the ERA tour this morning.
"We are still 100-percent having our whole season," Motes said. "That's for sure."
Brazile echoed his sentiment.
"The season is going to happen," Brazile said. The ERA tour is set to begin in Redmond, Ore., March 25-26.
In theory, the option is still on the table for ERA athletes to waive their ownership rights and compete in both associations, assuming they are not board members. (Brazile, Motes, Bobby Mote, Martin Lucero, Bradley Harter and Wes Stevenson are current board members, along with CEO and president Tony Garritano.)
- See more at: http://spintowinrodeo.com/blog/era-ruling-explainer-31326?utm_sourc... |
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| The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO. |
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| SKM - 2016-02-05 5:10 PM
The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO.
Pretty much my thoughts. I love my rodeo stars and their awesome animals be it rough stock or barrel horses, but rodeo is NEVER going to be the NBA or the NFL...for the reasons you listed.
We aren't mainstream enough to do what Tony is trying to promote. It just isn't going to happen. And yes, some of the guys that have been the most vocal in this may take the fall for others.
Lot's of bad blood here between the ERA guys that actually compete, and have the most to lose, that I'm not sure can be resolved quickly, yes very sad. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the large venues that were hosting ERA may have second thoughts.
Where's that popcorn icon???
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