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Location: Mississsippi | I have had my horse with a referred trainer since April of 2015 at which time she was barely green broke at best.
It is now nicely patterned & and very pleased with that, but only been taken away to be exhibition less then 12 places and a few barn to be ridden at. It was entered in the BFA Juvenile. This was not 100% my idea, as I was told in September that my horse was running 1 second off winning times locally and could definitely be "In the Hunt" by then for the 2D there. It wasn't pretty. We then texted and was brought up 4 times that the best solution would be that the horse just need to be hauled more. Since then has only been taken to be entered 2 times.
The problem is that my horse is still performing like it did back in September. The horse has been vetted, coyro 3 times, x rayed, injected & now herbed (1,500.00+).
Now for the real problem....
I have not been involved as much as I should have AND I will take blame for that. BUT... I have always prepaid the training bill IN ADVANCE
AND THE TRAINER STILL HOLDS THE HORSE'S PAPERS.
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | why does trainer have the papers?
and if horse is legally yours and you owe nothing then trainer is making promises to you and dragging things on so you continue to keep her in training and pay... |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My question is, why does the trainer have your papers? Is this horse in your name? |
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Location: Mississsippi | The Breed Registration papers have to be in presented during check in to the officials at the BFA.
I was not there to do this and typically the rider or trainer does that. It is a common practice.
I don't feel like the trainer will give me a refund (800.00 as of today).
If I tell then now that I am pulling my horse at the end of the month, it will probably will not get ridden or hauled any at all. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Oh ok.. I didnt understand.. If you are not happy with the results and training then you just let them know and when yoru leaving and get the papers and horse... sometimes its not the trainers lack of .. but sometimes it is..
its a business deal and you just have to do what needs to be done and move on.. |
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Location: Mississsippi | I guess what I'm asking advise on is what kind of time frame do I inform the trainer and how do I say it?
I'm a very non confrontational person and thought that I was being the "best customer" by always prepaying. |
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Location: southeast Texas | IMHO , put you big girl panties on and have a talk with them.
Before hand, write down the issues you want to talk about and what order. And cross them out when you get an answer.
Sounds like y'all have a lack of clear communication.
Remember, this is your money, your horse. And how hard you work for that $$
Edited by roxieannie 2016-02-06 12:37 PM
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | if you paid for feb board and Training then give to end of month .. a trainer should continue to train.. if paid.. just let them know it isnt working out and you will be not needing the service anymore.
as above stated.. communicate.. but if horse isnt progressing then maybe its time.. or least reasons why.. but you have to be firm you cant be wishywashy.. for whatever reasons.. its not a big deal.. just talk and let them know or clear up the matter..dont let a trainer survive on your $$$$ unless work and progress is shown... I wont say its the trainer for it may be horse issue but for whatever reason.. your not happy so just say so and move on..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2016-02-06 12:42 PM
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Location: Texas | If you've already paid February, tell trainer about the 20th of the month that you'll be taking your horse home and to please have his papers in hand for you at that time.
You don't have to explain anything more than that. If trainer asks why, just say you're ready to have your horse home. Simple as that. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If I were you I would tell the trainer that your ready for your horse to come home and you will start hauling, tell him/her that you will be picking up in x amount of time and have the papers ready for you to pick up along with your horse. Easy pleasey I hope  |
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Location: Mississsippi | How rude or inappropriate would it be to just cut the bleeding & ask for a refund?
I could have someone pick her up tomorrow.
I was so upset when I got my January Bill and found out that she had only been entered 1 time!
I know they have horses entered in 2 futurities this month & will not be around much.
Edited by Wynn 2016-02-06 1:40 PM
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wynn - 2016-02-06 1:28 PM
How rude or inappropriate would it be to just cut the bleeding & ask for a refund? I could have someone pick her up tomorrow.
I know they have horses entered in 2 futurities this month & will not be around much.
I would not worry about a refund at this point, I would call and let them know that your ready for the horse to come home and you are are coming to pick it up. |
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Location: Mississsippi | That is $800.00+!
It's hard to let that go.... |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wynn - 2016-02-06 1:42 PM That is $800.00+! It's hard to let that go....
Yept that is quite a bit to just let go, if you feel like that they wont be doing much more with your horse and he will be just sitting there then I would ask for a refund and see how they react to you asking, but I would just go ahead and pick up my horse. |
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Location: Mississsippi | Thank you for your answer. I just don't want to do anything rash or that I will regret and be labeled as a B***H.
You know that everyone knows someone that someone that knows you. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | it wont hurt to ask.... least the training fee.. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Have you brought up the concerns to the trainer? Maybe they don't realize your expectations on the amount of hauling you want done? If they do and you have...then yea I'd pick up my horse ..as far as a refund I think the portion that goes to the feed n board should be returned but the portion that goes to holding your spot there idk...but i fthey have someone to fill your spot right away then yea they should refund that too. |
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Location: Mississsippi | Yes, 2 days after the BFA, we discussed how "Green" she was and that she just needed hauling. This was brought up 3 more times in 3 different texts since.
I spoke with her personally 2 days ago and could only commit to hauling her 4-6 places this month, due to her being gone to 2 futurities.
I know that after so long, (10 months with her) you can only do so much at the house and they need to go down the road or send them home.
I don't have a problem only getting feed & board back, that's about 360.00
Edited by Wynn 2016-02-06 3:05 PM
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Hauling 4 -6 differant places this month seems like enough in my opinion.. but if its not what you want then just tell her you will be moving her.. |
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| I have had a few bad trainer issues over the years. My first one was long ago when I had a colt in with a cutting trainer. He had the horse for 14 months. I told the trainer that he needed to be hauled or sent home. He said he would haul the horse. One time the trainer was supposed to have hauled my horse I visited, with trailer, while he was gone. Horse was in his stall. Horse got loaded onto trailer and brought home. Trainer owed me for another month and I never saw dollar one back.
Second bad time was with a barrel trainer. I sent multiple horses over many years. Two were well trained and cared for. The rest were not well trained. I tried many times to explain that I didn't expect 1D from all the horses, but that if I wanted to pay for their training and make solid 3Ders that that was my choice. The trainer obviously disagreed. The last one he had was a Bully son. He spent 9 months with the trainer and still couldn't trot a line to the 1st barrel. I brought the colt home and then had a very long conversation firing the trainer. IMO he owed me for all the untrained horses.
Three years after the Bully colt, that the same trainer promised to make it all up to me training my DFP colt. He swore, promised and pretty much begged for the chance. Two months into training I visited. The horse was in neglected condition. I had handed cash to the trainer for his feet and they'd never been done and were dangerously long. If his fronts looked like his rears it probably would have ended any performance career. And the horse had dropped close to 200 pounds. Needless to say the horse came home that day. The fallout from that experience is extreme. I have considered wrapping up my barrel racing and breeding program and going on and finding something that I can enjoy spending my money on. I don't get how 'trainers' can do this kind of thing over and over again and the person who stands up and lets the world know that it has happened is the 'bad person.' But that's how it is.
Your good choices are:
Write off the $$'s and just go get your horse, or
Have a very serious talk with the trainer.
You could always do #2 first and then follow through with #1 if you don't get a response that makes you feel something will really change. |
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