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Location: Kansas | I have a 5 year old gelding that will take a bite of grain, chew, then open his mouth and wiggle it side to side to drop grain. No matter what type of grain, he does this. He had his teeth power floated on July 3, 2015, and he doesn't toss his head while riding, doesn't act in pain. What would be the cause of this? |
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| My gut instinct is telling me ulcer or stomach upset? He is associating swallowing the grain with the coming of pain. SO he has learned to just drop it and avoid the pain. I would mix a little aloe vera juice with it and see if he starts slurping it up. If so then that might be your answer. |
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Location: Kansas | FLITASTIC - 2016-02-10 10:14 AM My gut instinct is telling me ulcer or stomach upset? He is associating swallowing the grain with the coming of pain. SO he has learned to just drop it and avoid the pain. I would mix a little aloe vera juice with it and see if he starts slurping it up. If so then that might be your answer.
I started the aloe vera juice a week ago. He gets a scoop and a half of alfalfa pellets, along with 2 scoops of vita-calm, and a cup of aloe vera juice mixed in. |
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| i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!! |
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Location: Kansas | FlyingJT - 2016-02-10 10:32 AM i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!!
I was thinking of running him to my regular vet to have them checked again. I'll be so ticked though since I spent $150 for this to be done, and it's been this way since he had his teeth done. |
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| I can't remember what grain you feed? Have you tried an equine senior type textured feed and put warm water in it??? If your feeding whole grains and his mouth is somehow sore the whole grains might make it difficult. If he will readily consume a textured senior type feed then maybe that will be better? |
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Location: CTX | I would have an equine dentist look at him. All my kids use to go to our vet once a year, but ever since we started using a proper equine dentist they go twice a year. You wouldn't believe how sharp some teeth can get in only 6 months.
The first time we used her I must've stuck my hand in at least a dozen times, she is very good at explaining things, and now I know better.
ETA, you say he has been doing this since you had his teeth done?? Big red flag.... I bet he needs done again! If it was my horse I would have someone else look at him.
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Location: Florida.. | Teeth arent aligning up correcting imo |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-02-10 10:36 AM FlyingJT - 2016-02-10 10:32 AM i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!! I was thinking of running him to my regular vet to have them checked again. I'll be so ticked though since I spent $150 for this to be done, and it's been this way since he had his teeth done.
You just answered your own question. You use to see this all the time related to power floats. It could be a few different things.
Over use of the speculum and he could be off in his TMJ.
Over aggressive with the power tool and getting into the pulp making the teeth very sensitive.
Not getting all of the sharp edges and/or not getting the back teeth.
Not real likely but he could have a retained cap or pieces stuck.
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2016-02-10 12:04 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-02-10 10:36 AM FlyingJT - 2016-02-10 10:32 AM i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!! I was thinking of running him to my regular vet to have them checked again. I'll be so ticked though since I spent $150 for this to be done, and it's been this way since he had his teeth done.
Over use of the speculum and he could be off in his TMJ.
Over aggressive with the power tool and getting into the pulp making the teeth very sensitive.
Not getting all of the sharp edges and/or not getting the back teeth.
Not real likely but he could have a retained cap or pieces stuck.
Would it still be sore after 7 months later? I've never had any issues before when my vet would hand float my horses teeth, this was the first time I used a vet who did a power float. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2016-02-10 10:36 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-02-10 10:32 AM i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!!
I was thinking of running him to my regular vet to have them checked again. I'll be so ticked though since I spent $150 for this to be done, and it's been this way since he had his teeth done.
Some horses need to have their teeth floated every 6 months. |
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Location: Canada | Yes, if the person who did the teeth didn't do it correctly he could be still sore 7 months later. I'd get your horse in and see what is going on with his teeth. He could have an infection or abscess or he could simply need his teeth done again.
Best to get it checked out. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Have a reputable equine dentist check his teeth not a vet. Imo thats like going to a physician for a tooth ache instead of a dentist (who specializes in the oral cavity). |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-02-10 12:32 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-10 12:04 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-02-10 10:36 AM FlyingJT - 2016-02-10 10:32 AM i'd take him in and double check the float job. Feel for yourself, top and bottom all the way to the back. I had a man float a few horses teeth for me, no change. Called another guy a few months later, he had me feel, the first guy never even touched the back teeth! He said it happens a lot!! I was thinking of running him to my regular vet to have them checked again. I'll be so ticked though since I spent $150 for this to be done, and it's been this way since he had his teeth done.
Over use of the speculum and he could be off in his TMJ.
Over aggressive with the power tool and getting into the pulp making the teeth very sensitive.
Not getting all of the sharp edges and/or not getting the back teeth.
Not real likely but he could have a retained cap or pieces stuck.
It is possible but another thing is he could have a fractured tooth.
Let us know what your vet finds and make sure to bring some grain so he can see how it eats it.
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Location: North Dakota | My horse Red has always had proper and regular dental care. Also chiropractic care.
He still drops grain. He's just a MESSY eater!! Always has been.
Not saying you shouldn't have your guy double checked to be sure, but my Red is just plain messy.
Heck, even when I was using my aunt's horse last year who I knew he needed dental work done; he never dropped one morsel of grain, compared to my horse who always gets the best of the best. (Go figure.)
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| Hoofs - I feel your pain!
I had one of mine floated a month ago .... and she is still dropping grain like crazy. I know you and I are not that far apart in location ....
Anyone have suggestions for an equine dentist we can hit up in KS?
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| My rocket mare is a grain dropper. I've had her checked many times between floats and there is no issue. She shoves too much in her mouth, raises her head, bares her teeth, and chews and drops. It's just the way she eats. |
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| It's worth checking his teeth, I totally agree and if this is a new habit I totally would.
We have 2 that if you saw them some days you'd swear they were having issues somewhere - they'll pick up a mouthful, stretch there necks out, and twist their head to one side, almost trying to chew upside down? Drop grain all over the place. Drives me bonkers.
The next day they won't lift their nose out of the bucket and eat every piece.
Both horses have totally clean bills of health, they're just goofball children who like to play with their food (they do it more when we stand there and watch them eat too, show offs). |
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