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| I just bought a 3 year old filly who is mainly cutting bred but who was sent to a reining trainer for a few months. What are some opinions on these types of horses making barrel horses. She is very athletic and catty. My husband was really pushing me getting a cow bred horse over something running bred. Thinks it will fit my style of riding better. Filly came from McCoy Ranch.
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Location: Central Texas | Personally I prefer them. My best girl was cutting bred. When I retired her I just happened into some running bred, while I like them, I much perfer my old girl. She had speed but she could get down and turn a barrel and be off to the next. Felt so smoothe and easy to ride. Her daugther is just turing 4 this year and I can't wait to get started with her. |
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Location: Central Montana | Depends on the horse. My sister's daughter of Delta O Lena (Miss Brigolena Pep) is quick on her feet but not speedy at a dead run, her daughter of Magnum Chic Dream (The Hollywood Dream) is neither IMO. I am not a fan of the MCD mare but she has a little over $8,000 in NRHA earnings and her top earning offspring is just shy of $30,000 so they can do what they were bred and trained to do.My son of Brennas Golden Dunnit (Dunit In Creme) would have transitioned nicely...he has 3D speed.....and navicular plus laminitis......pushed too fast, too hard, too young by previous owners try an make the NRHA futurity. |
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Location: TN | I love cowbred stuff! I'm shopping for a prospect and I love it if it's got some well-known cutting bred horses in the pedigree like Playgun, Peppy San Badger, High Brow Cat, etc. I think cutting horses are more likely to make a barrel horse than a reining horse just simply because cutters are a little more athletic to get down and turn quick than a reining horse. I'm sure either one could be good at it though. Just depends on the individual. |
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| I usually only ride cutters and I absolutely love them! They are super broke, gritty, tough and smart. I have a son of Rap Cat that I'm training right now that is so much fun and has tons of talent. We also just bought a daughter of Third Cutting out of a daughter of Letric Playboy that I'm very excited about. I love your mares pedigree and I bet she will make a great barrel horse. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | GoinJettin - 2016-02-12 2:05 PM Depends on the horse. My sister's daughter of Delta O Lena (Miss Brigolena Pep) is quick on her feet but not speedy at a dead run, her daughter of Magnum Chic Dream (The Hollywood Dream) is neither IMO. I am not a fan of the MCD mare but she has a little over $8,000 in NRHA earnings and her top earning offspring is just shy of $30,000 so they can do what they were bred and trained to do.My son of Brennas Golden Dunnit (Dunit In Creme) would have transitioned nicely...he has 3D speed.....and navicular plus laminitis......pushed too fast, too hard, too young by previous owners try an make the NRHA futurity. I've ridden 3 MCD's. One was out of a Boomernic mare who had several $20k NRHA earners to her name... filly couldn't outrun her own shadow. Too bad because she was a super nice filly otherwise. Other two MCD's were well reiners and would probably clock in the 7D. Simply put, MCD's are the last thing I would ever look for in a barrel horse! lol
I have a Hollywood Dun It granddaughter out of a Colonel Freckles/Bueno Chex mare. She can run but is super inconsistent as far as clocking and making clean runs.
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Location: North Dakota | I run an own daughter of San Jo Lena out of a daughter of colonel freckles. She was trained as a cutter then used as a team penning/sorting horse before I got her. She is smart, catty and sane. I love it. She walks to the arena like we are going on a trail ride, does her job walks out the same way. I love how broke the cowbred horses and the pure talent they have for so many things. I know they are some who aren't that way but most I have come accross have a lot of talent. I don't know If I will ever buy something that isn't atleast cowbred on one side. I'm a fan.  |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I like them bust haven't had too many. Looking at her bloodlines though she looks like she could be a pretty good barrel horse. I know a few guys that would kill for a GALLO DEL CIELO horse, especially now that he passed away last year. |
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| Thanks for all of your input. I am really excited about what the future holds for this filly. My husband team ropes so if she doesn't make a barrel horse we always have options!!! |
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| Go to www.nrcha.com and they are webcast ing the Challenge of Champions show. The just got done with the Open Derby, and will play the Limited Open Bridle today, go all week and finish up with the worlds Greatest Horseman on Saturday. If you want horses who can rein, cut, cow, and run, all the popular reined cowhorse bloodlines are on display. You can see the draw and the results as well. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I've ran two mares by different own sons of High Brow Cat that could scoot AND eat the tops out of the barrels. Also ran a Dual Pep granddaughter that was nice. She wasn't as fast on the straight but was so fast footed and turned so efficiently that she still clocked 1d is small to medium pens and 2d in big pens. She was a little tougher to ride because she was very sensitive/reactive so you had to sit pretty still on her. I have a Shining Spark X Grays Starlight I'm about to start. No idea how fast she is but she is very quick footed and athletic.
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| cecollins0811 - 2016-02-13 11:24 AM I like them bust haven't had too many. Looking at her bloodlines though she looks like she could be a pretty good barrel horse. I know a few guys that would kill for a GALLO DEL CIELO horse, especially now that he passed away last year.
A dear friend of mine ran an own daughter of Gallo De Ciello. She was a very nice barrel horse. She is retired now and now has a colt by Lions Share of Fame. Im really excited to see this colts journey to becoming a barrel horse :) |
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| As many already know I ride a straight cutting bred horse. I have several friends that run cutters also. I wouldnt be scared a bit to start one and see where it goes. If it doesnt work out for you, usually they are easily marketable. If they have had cutting/reigning training especially. And as you said, theres always roping. |
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| bccanchaser16 - 2016-02-12 10:54 PM GoinJettin - 2016-02-12 2:05 PM Depends on the horse. My sister's daughter of Delta O Lena (Miss Brigolena Pep) is quick on her feet but not speedy at a dead run, her daughter of Magnum Chic Dream (The Hollywood Dream) is neither IMO. I am not a fan of the MCD mare but she has a little over $8,000 in NRHA earnings and her top earning offspring is just shy of $30,000 so they can do what they were bred and trained to do.My son of Brennas Golden Dunnit (Dunit In Creme) would have transitioned nicely...he has 3D speed.....and navicular plus laminitis......pushed too fast, too hard, too young by previous owners try an make the NRHA futurity. I've ridden 3 MCD's. One was out of a Boomernic mare who had several $20k NRHA earners to her name... filly couldn't outrun her own shadow. Too bad because she was a super nice filly otherwise. Other two MCD's were well reiners and would probably clock in the 7D. Simply put, MCD's are the last thing I would ever look for in a barrel horse! lol
I have a Hollywood Dun It granddaughter out of a Colonel Freckles/Bueno Chex mare. She can run but is super inconsistent as far as clocking and making clean runs.
Agree with these girls. Cutting bred wise my mare is Peppy San Badger top and bottom and is extremely athletic and catty, very nimble around the barrels and smart as a whip. Love her to death.
I also show a reining mare. - she's a Chics in the Male (Smart Chicolena) and cannot run to save her life LOL. She is extremely pretty in the show ring but her big fast circles are not that fast, and you have to push her to the limit to get that circle. |
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| One thing about a cutter, they may place in different D's but they ALWAYS show up and work! It can be their biggest fault, trying to hard, but it's nice not to have to beg for effort! |
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| 2H~QH - 2016-02-15 2:27 PM
bccanchaser16 - 2016-02-12 10:54 PM GoinJettin - 2016-02-12 2:05 PM Depends on the horse. My sister's daughter of Delta O Lena (Miss Brigolena Pep) is quick on her feet but not speedy at a dead run, her daughter of Magnum Chic Dream (The Hollywood Dream) is neither IMO. I am not a fan of the MCD mare but she has a little over $8,000 in NRHA earnings and her top earning offspring is just shy of $30,000 so they can do what they were bred and trained to do.My son of Brennas Golden Dunnit (Dunit In Creme) would have transitioned nicely...he has 3D speed.....and navicular plus laminitis......pushed too fast, too hard, too young by previous owners try an make the NRHA futurity. I've ridden 3 MCD's. One was out of a Boomernic mare who had several $20k NRHA earners to her name... filly couldn't outrun her own shadow. Too bad because she was a super nice filly otherwise. Other two MCD's were well reiners and would probably clock in the 7D. Simply put, MCD's are the last thing I would ever look for in a barrel horse! lol
I have a Hollywood Dun It granddaughter out of a Colonel Freckles/Bueno Chex mare. She can run but is super inconsistent as far as clocking and making clean runs.
I also show a reining mare. - she's a Chics in the Male (Smart Chicolena) and cannot run to save her life LOL. She is extremely pretty in the show ring but her big fast circles are not that fast, and you have to push her to the limit to get that circle.
Your observance on Peppy San Badger or his sire Mr San Peppy or Peppy San .. is correct .. they are from racing stock whether on the track like the Leo San or Leo horses or on the brush tracks ..
IMO they were dominated by the LEO BLOODLINES and made super arena horses and looked good while doing it ..
Peppy San Badger's dam is well known successful racing lines ... and the breeder was a big time race horse owner Joe Kirk Fulton ... he brought him to Buster Welch who was working for the King Ranch and Buster persuaded the King Ranch to buy Peppy San Badger ...
If you were one of us who traveled I45 from Dallas to Houston in the 70's and 80's.. .. that big black wooden fence on the east side at the half way mark that ran for miles was Joe Kirk Fulton's new place .....>> you will enjoy this read ...>>>>>>>> http://tqha.com/wp-content/uploads/080213-Monday-Report-Special.pdf
PEPPY SAN BADGER ..
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/peppy+san+badger
If you look at the sire to SUN FROST ......... DOCS JACK FROST was totally race bred and was a super horse anywhere you wanted to win the event ... and SF's dam was out of fast horses for that area ...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frost
If you look at FRENCHMANS GUY .... adding the influence of LIGHTNING BAR again along with the blue hen mare CASEYS LADYLOVE in his genes made him the super sire he is ... and as you have noticed .. the Myers added strong current race bred broodmares to their broodmare band to turn up the speed since the FG's were starting to compete on a national basis ... very smart breeders!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/frenchmans+guy
The thing to watch is not to have a lot of DOC BAR .. POCO BUENO .. POCO TIVIO .. JOE CODY .. POCO PINE.. HOLLYWOOD 86 .. DUAL PEP in your barrel horse bloodlines ... this is where the big difference in speed, conformation and size really takes a beating ... when thinking about what is required to have a winning barrel horse ..
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| Love hearing about the Peppy San Badger bred horses. Mine is PSB top and bottom with Dual Pep on the top and Haidas Little Pep on the bottom.
He is very quick footed and a turning son of a gun, super smart. Started him on the pattern last fall and we're ready to start hauling as soon as the weather is.
Some have said the PSB's are counterfeit and buckers, mine is a sweetheart, although I can attest that he has a back cracking buck. But since my saddle as totally off to one side and I'm sure my sour was set in his ribs while I tried to save myself, I've forgiven him.
We rope as well and he'll track a steer or calf like its life or death. My SO's great role horse is PSB bred as well, he can also be a handful as well, but you never ever have to worry about getting outrun by a steer and he'll give you a shot. |
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| FlyingJT - 2016-02-15 1:01 PM
One thing about a cutter, they may place in different D's but they ALWAYS show up and work! It can be their biggest fault, trying to hard, but it's nice not to have to beg for effort!
This!!!
I have a son of Dual Rey. There is more try in his heart than anything I have swung a leg over. Very unique running style... Like a hang on for dear life situation. |
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Location: Arkansas | OhMax - 2016-02-15 5:16 PM
Love hearing about the Peppy San Badger bred horses. Mine is PSB top and bottom with Dual Pep on the top and Haidas Little Pep on the bottom.
He is very quick footed and a turning son of a gun, super smart. Started him on the pattern last fall and we're ready to start hauling as soon as the weather is.
Some have said the PSB's are counterfeit and buckers, mine is a sweetheart, although I can attest that he has a back cracking buck. But since my saddle as totally off to one side and I'm sure my sour was set in his ribs while I tried to save myself, I've forgiven him.
We rope as well and he'll track a steer or calf like its life or death. My SO's great role horse is PSB bred as well, he can also be a handful as well, but you never ever have to worry about getting outrun by a steer and he'll give you a shot.
One of my closet friends has a son of Haidas Little Pep, and they bred several barrel mares to him over the years. Never had a foal or even dreamed I would, but I believe he's gonna be my mare's baby daddy this year!! |
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