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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I'm from Oregon. I've never lived anywhere else. Through all of this constitutional research I've done, I have just realized that the civil war was NOT about slavery. It was about states rights. I'm sorry for being so ignorant for so long. I wasn't taught this in school. |
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| Did you see this on Tacky Tack? I was just involved in a huge debate on that page today, haha. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I was raised in the Land of Lincoln and it was Lincoln's plan to send all the slaves back to Africa.
Changing our history and indocrinating our children started years ago.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I only had one teacher in school who ever talked about that, and I'm IN the South. When they say history is written by the victors, they're not kidding.
We had oral stories passed down in the family, and my mom had a great grandmother alive when she was little who was a civil war widow and another grandmother alive who lived through Reconstruction--they apparently harbored a true hate for the north and weren't shy about expressing it. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | BayRoan - 2016-02-12 3:56 PM
Did you see this on Tacky Tack? I was just involved in a huge debate on that page today, haha.
No. Because of the Oregon patriots and the Lands problem out here, I have been getting educated about the constitution and real history. I learn something new every day. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-12 7:00 PM I only had one teacher in school who ever talked about that, and I'm IN the South. When they say history is written by the victors, they're not kidding.
We had oral stories passed down in the family, and my mom had a great grandmother alive when she was little who was a civil war widow and another grandmother alive who lived through Reconstruction--they apparently harbored a true hate for the north and weren't shy about expressing it.
I had a great social studies teacher that was from the south and he was an eye opener. I loved that class. Then we had the liberal puke teachers that way back in the 60's were trying to indocrinating kids towards socialism.
I'm also married to a southerner so he has educated me also.
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Location: North Texas | Congratulations! I am happy to see that 'mess' is at least educating Americans to History and The Constitution.
Also, in addition to States Rights, The Civil War was fought over money! The control there of. Cause the Northern Business Men wanted control of the raw materials out of the South. Also, study 'Reconstruction' and the History reveals just how corrupt The Northern Carpetbaggers were........................... |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-12 7:00 PM
I only had one teacher in school who ever talked about that, and I'm IN the South. When they say history is written by the victors, they're not kidding.
We had oral stories passed down in the family, and my mom had a great grandmother alive when she was little who was a civil war widow and another grandmother alive who lived through Reconstruction--they apparently harbored a true hate for the north and weren't shy about expressing it.
I truly believe my 17 year old son knows more about the Civil War and the history leading up to it than half the adults I talk to on a daily basis. And I'm deep South too. So scary |
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| I'm glad that some people are figuring out the truth. It's a sad shame that the history taught in public schools to our children is bull**** propaganda made up by our government to make themselves look good. If I had realized back when my kids were young, the extent to which the schools influence and brain wash kids, I would of seriously considered home schooling. |
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Location: North Texas | teebluesage - 2016-02-13 9:59 AM
I'm glad that some people are figuring out the truth. It's a sad shame that the history taught in public schools to our children is bull**** propaganda made up by our government to make themselves look good. If I had realized back when my kids were young, the extent to which the schools influence and brain wash kids, I would of seriously considered home schooling.
The old adage of "To the Victor goes The Spoils of War" applies here in spades to the teaching American History in relationship to The Civil War. Cause The History taught is WRONG! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Unless you were sleeping when you were educated, or you had idiots as teachers and were unaware of it, you should have learned the causes of the Civil War. Texts and accounts of historians of the time are replete with extensive discussions on this chapter in our history.
The war was not fought over the issue of slavery in and of itself. While slavery was obviously a key linchpin of th seccessionist movement, and hence the ensuing war, it was only a part of a multifactorial evolutionary process that started even before the inception of the Republic. To say that slavery was not the cause is simplistic. Of course the immorality of slavery was critical, and even a great many southerners agreed, however the issue of how to wean ourselves from the practice was the real crux of the matter. That's where the violations of the 10th Ammendment became a very heated topic. Slavery served as a flashpoint for testing the strength of our Constitution. Here are the main causes of the war:
1. Slavery - and issues that arose out of the practice, such as the Dred Scott Decision, the Missouri Compromise, the Fugative Slave Act, The Kansas-Nebraska Act, and others. Also, the Abolitionist movement played a huge role.
2. Economic/Social differences between the Nothern and Southern states, largely centering around King Cotton.......which, at the time, completely depended on slavery. It was much more than that, however. Industrial states basically strong armed cotton producing states.
3. Possibly the most critical issue was the inability of southern states to exercise their percieved right of "nullification", as advanced by John C. Calhoun. Any legislative or executive attempts at the abolition of slavery was thought to be unconstitutional and a direct violation of the 10th Ammendment in our Bill of Rights....and rightfully so! Later, in 1865, the 13th Ammendment was passed, and if they would have done this 5 years earlier, it is possible the war could have been avoided, because that process through which slavery was deemed unlawful across the land was arrived at constitutionally, as intended by our founding fathers.
4. The final straw was when Abe Lincoln was elected. Then our fate was sealed.
All of this is relevant today .......look around. |
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| There is so much more to the civil war it really is fascinating. My husband and I are getting into reenactments on the side with our barrel horses and are working with a history guru on this topic. It has been amazing what we have learned about the civil war and the history behind it. |
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| I brought up this very point on another thread. I hate to admit it but Yankee born, bred and educated here. When I started driving truck OTR with hubby I could not understand the attitude of the South, who still seem to be fighting the Civil War. So I started to LISTEN to what was being said and began educating myself.
DG, I don't know where you went to school, we are of an age, but the ONLY version I ever was taught in my well funded, suburban school system, is that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Period. Abraham Lincoln was nothing short of a Savior with no political agenda. And nobody I know who went to school before or in years after, was taught any different. Unless you get the information OUTSIDE of the public school system, you WILL get the information the Federal government WANTS you to have and nothing else.
Edted to add, ...and I DID pay attention and was not sleeping. My GPA would support that claim. lol
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| I, too, had a great history teacher in Jr. high. She taught us the true reasons for the Civil War as Bear stated. When my kids would come home after school I would grill them about what they learned in history about the Civil War- it was shocking! So I taught them the truth. My daughter was the kid on class that would argue if she thought the teacher was wrong. Her history teacher was happy to see her move on, I'm sure, lol.
As parents we must be aware of what is taught in the schools and step in to supplement our kids' education when need be. Luckily, our school district is a small, rural one and is a little more conservative than most. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And History will make Obama into a hero instead of what he really is...A divider and destroyer of America and it's values. |
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Location: Mississippi | PBS had a documentary on the Civil War. Very informative.
One of the reasons that Southerners still feel ill will towards the North to this day is because of what happened after the war. Many, many bodies of North and South soldiers were still in the battle fields at the end of the war. Congress passed funding to retrieve and bury the Northern soldiers ONLY. Nothing for the Southern soldiers. And that is just one example of how the South was treated for many years after the war.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Time to put it behind us......after 150 yesrs. |
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Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-02-13 2:15 PM
Time to put it behind us......after 150 yesrs.
Go to Georgia and speak this way to native Georgians who lost family and property to Sherman's "Scorched Earth" Drive to The Coast and see how your sentiment is received......................................
There are reasons The South carries a GRUDGE! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2016-02-13 9:15 PM
Bear - 2016-02-13 2:15 PM
Time to put it behind us......after 150 yesrs.
Go to Georgia and speak this way to native Georgians who lost family and property to Sherman's "Scorched Earth" Drive to The Coast and see how your sentiment is received......................................
There are reasons The South carries a GRUDGE!
That's fine....if that is OK then how can we excoriate Blacks for slavery and the bloodshed in the south after the civil war? At some point, it has to be put to rest. Why should northerners be held accountable for injustices of their ancestors from 150 years ago?
If we excuse the hatred and grudge toward northerners, then how can we condemn Blacks for harboring their grudge because of slavery, lynchings, shootings, bombings, and segregation?
Answer that for me, Clay? |
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Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-02-13 9:24 PM
foundation horse - 2016-02-13 9:15 PM
Bear - 2016-02-13 2:15 PM
Time to put it behind us......after 150 yesrs.
Go to Georgia and speak this way to native Georgians who lost family and property to Sherman's "Scorched Earth" Drive to The Coast and see how your sentiment is received......................................
There are reasons The South carries a GRUDGE!
That's fine....if that is OK then how can we excoriate Blacks for slavery and the bloodshed in the south after the civil war? At some point, it has to be put to rest. Why should northerners be held accountable for injustices of their ancestors from 150 years ago?
If we excuse the hatred and grudge toward northerners, then how can we condemn Blacks for harboring their grudge because of slavery, lynchings, shootings, bombings, and segregation?
Answer that for me, Clay?
Touché. Your point is made. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
However, The Federal Government is still Rogue and its origination of going Rogue can be traced directly back to The Civil War.
Also, Lincoln was the first President in U.S. History to suspend The Fourth Amendment and Stifle The First Amendment. History documents this as happening in The Northeastern Region i.e. New England.
So while I agree that Blacks cannot and should not blame whites for what happened 150 years ago. Americans can and should blame Lincoln and Company for Our Current Screwed up ROGUE Federal Government!
And in the event this is an oxymoronic opinion, then so be it! It is how I feel about The Feds and History as it revealed to be accurate in regards to The Feds. |
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