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| You are looking at two horses, all things being equal, age, ability etc. One is an App and one a QH and or Paint. Let's say gelding so we are not bring the possibility of making babies.
In your opinion, would/should they be priced the same? Would the App be harder to sell?
I ask, because I once had a Cremello barrel horse and my friend told me that he would be a hard sell because of his color, and dang if she wasn't right. I deliberately left his color off the ad, but listed his accomplishments and had lots of interest. Eventually they would ask what color and when I told them, all interest evaporated. What the heck!!?? This was before AQHA would allow them to be registered.
What do y'all think?
Edited by rodeoveteran 2016-02-26 11:24 AM
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| Myself personally I don't care. I just want a fast, willing, good minded horse. That being said my husband does not like light colored horses, isn't fond of paints, and feels about the same about an appaloosa. I have no idea why but he doesn't care for them. It seems many feel that way and it does seem that they are priced lower because of it. I suppose it depends on the buyer as well |
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Location: Missouri | For me, I don't care about color. I do have preferences, but if the horse is willing and able, I'll but it if it's purple. I was hesitant to but a paint before, but now that APHA is doing more for racers, I really don't care about color as long as they win. |
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Location: mi | Take this for what its worth as I come from the App. world so am a bit biased or maybe hopeful. But all things being equal and it being a gelding, the prices should be about the same. But for them really to be the same that App had better be good looking. There is still alot of bias against App's. I don't know why, they are so closely bred the same as Qh any more. But it is still out there so if it has any faults anyone that is on the fence is going to walk away because its an App. But if its got great coloring and is pretty to boot you should have no problems getting a good price for it on the open market. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I grew up on Appy's since my dad always liked the color pattern. He only used them to joy ride for a few minutes but mostly to pack elk. I caught a lot of grief as a kid for them too, so not really a fan. We raised paints for awhile and the fanciest made and pretty colored one would always catch a lot less attention than a plain sorrel QH we had. I won't bother with anything other than QH's for resale value. Not that it is fair, it is just the market. |
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Location: Too Far North | I have always had Appaloosas. The market is always smaller and less resale value for Apps. Doesn't matter if they can beat anything and do algebra, some people just won't consider them. |
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| Thanks. Am considering a non QH but don't want to shoot myself in the foot. On the other hand, if I can get a jam up rodeo horse for less money I personally would be quite willing to do so. On the third hand, if the horse doesn't work for me ,I am trying to evaluate my chances of reselling. |
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| You could not pay me to take an app horse. Ever. Under any circumstance Every counterfeit nutcase I've ever sat on was app bred and you will not catch me dead on another one. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Just one example but one night at Lone Star Park hubby and I were watching. They ran an App/Paint championship race, 25k payout (good for TX races) with a SI of 88. The 5000 QH claiming race right after ran and had a SI of like 92. We have seen that a ton. I like Paints fine. Apps are okay (I grew up with one) but most of them just aren't as fast. There are exceptions but they are few. The market is also 1/2 to 1/3 the value of a good QH. |
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| Although I realize any of these breeds you mentioned can be stars, I buy what I know will sell. I have found that color sells, and I mean palomino, buckskin, etc. Minds still seem to be closed when it comes to Apps, and people also avoid blue eyed Paints because of sunburn issues. I have had sorrels with great conformation that were a headache to sell because they didn't stand out. |
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| I prefer QH but did own a kick ass barrel Appy. Her value was less then a typical QH but I didn't care, I won races with her. She was her weight in gold. I retired her from racing and she went to an older gal looking for a nice trail horse. Im not a fan of paints, Ive sat on a few and every single one was bullheaded.
**Would this new horse be with you forever or would you turn it around for a profit? If its a forever home, buy what you want. If you want resale.... QH are easier to sell. |
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Location: Canada | I showed Appaloosa's when I was younger so I like the breed but when it comes to comparing here is what it's like in my area:
A quarter horse will sell over a paint most times. The exception is if the paint is loud and pretty, then the playing field evens out but most times the QH still wins out.
In terms of the Appaloosa's it's not worth buying unless you plan on keeping it forever as there is no market for resale. Even with all things being even in terms of quality of breeding and athletic ability the Apps will bring a fraction of the price a QH would. |
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| I just bought one and when I was looking I really wanted a QH but looked at paint and appy too. The paints were a little cheaper and generally not as nicely bred (or maybe just lines I never heard of lol) and the apps were scarce and pretty cheap. I was a little nervous with an app because I have never really been around many and my trainer thinks they are the spawn of Satan lol.
I ultimately found no apps I liked enough close to where I was looking and only one paint mare that I wanted to go see but was several hours away and I ended up finding a QH closer before I could drive all that way to see it. I don't care too much about color a nice horse is gorgeous no matter the color but I don't really love a lot of white and the speckled eye bald thing doesn't really work for me either but there's plenty of good looking horses of both breeds out there!
I also thought about this when looking because with a prospect who knows if they will work out or fit your riding style etc so if it doesn't work for me I want it to be marketable. I know bloodlines and pretty sell no matter the other issues. I had a sorrel foundation mare that was an absolute dream, kind, willing broke as broke could be couldn't sell her. I had a pretty red dun super well bred gelding that was an unpredictable P.O.S, everybody wanted him! |
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Location: Texas | The best horse I had growing up was a beautiful, arena soured app that could run 20 second poles every time and even ran a 19 a few times. Arena soured because I was 14 and didn't know or had a parent that knew when to quit. Just one more practice run was our motto. He was probably hurting all over but we didn't know those things back then. (I am old) I would love to have another pretty app but the nice, pretty ones are pricey and the resell value is just not there. My friend used to tell me that the indians rode apps because they were the only horses they could catch on foot. |
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Location: United States | Paints are the industry's best kept secrets. I would never balk at a paint. As far as an appy, the market is small, but I wouldn't object to one I just wouldn't pay much. |
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| wishes4kissez - 2016-02-26 4:53 PM
my trainer thinks they are the spawn of Satan lol.
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| I would be looking to buy for me. But if for whatever reason, we didn't click, would like to get my money back out of it. I have already lost my hiney on a gorgeous, well bred, talented mare that took 9 years to finally give up on. Anything that go wrong with a horse pretty much plagued her. I got 2 half summers out of that 9 years. Wasn't really her fault, just a black cloud floating above her head the whole time she was here.
Now don't have a large amount of cash to put into another horse. Found one that really caught my eye and if it is as talented as it looks, might be substantially less expensive than an equivalent QH. I have horses that I raised that I could sell but it would be a difficult decision since I brought them in to the world and raised one as an orphan from 3 weeks old. Am getting long in the tooth and don't have the years to put in to one as I once had.
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-02-26 8:52 PM
I would be looking to buy for me. But if for whatever reason, we didn't click, would like to get my money back out of it. I have already lost my hiney on a gorgeous, well bred, talented mare that took 9 years to finally give up on. Anything that go wrong with a horse pretty much plagued her. I got 2 half summers out of that 9 years. Wasn't really her fault, just a black cloud floating above her head the whole time she was here.
Now don't have a large amount of cash to put into another horse. Found one that really caught my eye and if it is as talented as it looks, might be substantially less expensive than an equivalent QH. I have horses that I raised that I could sell but it would be a difficult decision since I brought them in to the world and raised one as an orphan from 3 weeks old. Am getting long in the tooth and don't have the years to put in to one as I once had.
Can't afford to lose my butt again or my rodeo career is
If you can't afford to lose money, don't buy another horse. haha
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-26 8:00 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-02-26 8:52 PM
I would be looking to buy for me. But if for whatever reason, we didn't click, would like to get my money back out of it. I have already lost my hiney on a gorgeous, well bred, talented mare that took 9 years to finally give up on. Anything that go wrong with a horse pretty much plagued her. I got 2 half summers out of that 9 years. Wasn't really her fault, just a black cloud floating above her head the whole time she was here.
Now don't have a large amount of cash to put into another horse. Found one that really caught my eye and if it is as talented as it looks, might be substantially less expensive than an equivalent QH. I have horses that I raised that I could sell but it would be a difficult decision since I brought them in to the world and raised one as an orphan from 3 weeks old. Am getting long in the tooth and don't have the years to put in to one as I once had.
Can't afford to lose my butt again or my rodeo career is
If you can't afford to lose money, don't buy another horse. haha
If you want to be more likely to make your money back, go AQHA.
Well, THAT was helpful....not. This is NOT my first goat ropin'.
Unlike some I cannot justify taking out a loan on ANY horse. Just trying to determine the possibility of getting at least most of my money out of a horse that I would need to finish, presuming that it was a better horse than I bought, if I went outside the box looking for a possibly jam up rodeo horse that was unconventionally colored. |
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Mrs. Troy
Location: western Nebraska | I have had two very good apps and I am looking for another running bred, very colorful one. I would like to buy a well broke one so if you know of anything let me know.
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