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 Sorry I don't have any advice
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Location: Sunnyland Florida |
I'm wondering if anyone else has seen a lot of these new saddles breaking. I've witnessed 2 breaking (new saddles, girths & stirrup fenders breaking) in the last few weeks. I just purchased two of them (Jackie Jatzlau Treeless) in December, spent $1900 on one and $2500 on the other one. I examined the quality of attachment of girth and stirrups on the Circle Y, and I was shocked. The stirrups and girth are held onto the saddle by a tiny, and I mean TINY piece of leather. In the attached pic you can see the little black piece of leather - that's all that holds on the stirrup leathers and the girth. How many of you know of these things breaking? I'm seriously concerned about making my next run in them!
I love the way these new saddles ride, Love Them! But, there is absolutely no comparison to the quality of the Bob Marshall saddles I used to ride. The Bob Marshall saddles are held together by super thick leather and I've never had a probelm, even with the old ones.
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 Porta Potty Pants
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| can you post photos please. |
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Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida | azsun - 2016-02-27 3:04 PM can you post photos please.
I've added a photo; the same sized little piece of leather (I think it's leather) holds the stirrup leathers and the girth/saddle.
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I Am a Snake Killer
Posts: 1927
Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Looked at mine and that piece that holds the fenders goes further up under the saddle. It's not very thick though and I'm not sure it's even leather. Almost looks like vinyl? When it broke could you tell if it was leather? And did it just tear on the bottom of that piece or the stitching tear loose? I had heard after I bought mine back in the fall that they were going to change up the way the fender tied into the saddle. Wonder if this is why? I know a lot of people that have bought the Jackie saddle and none have had problems yet. |
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The Advice Guru
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| mreklaw - 2016-02-27 4:40 PM
Looked at mine and that piece that holds the fenders goes further up under the saddle. It's not very thick though and I'm not sure it's even leather. Almost looks like vinyl? When it broke could you tell if it was leather? And did it just tear on the bottom of that piece or the stitching tear loose? I had heard after I bought mine back in the fall that they were going to change up the way the fender tied into the saddle. Wonder if this is why? I know a lot of people that have bought the Jackie saddle and none have had problems yet.
I believe yours would be the polyethylene material. Supposedly it was supposed to be stronger then leather, but from what I heard there were numerous complaints about the material tearing, then I thought they were going back to leather. |
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Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida | mreklaw - 2016-02-27 5:40 PM Looked at mine and that piece that holds the fenders goes further up under the saddle. It's not very thick though and I'm not sure it's even leather. Almost looks like vinyl? When it broke could you tell if it was leather? And did it just tear on the bottom of that piece or the stitching tear loose? I had heard after I bought mine back in the fall that they were going to change up the way the fender tied into the saddle. Wonder if this is why? I know a lot of people that have bought the Jackie saddle and none have had problems yet.
Mine has not broken yet, just have seen my friends' break. Not sure if mine is vinyl or leather; it's black, but looks like leather. Very, very thin and doesn't look like it would hold out long. I'm just wanting to know how many actual accidents from these breaking; I now know 3 locally from new/newer Tammie & Jackie Circle Y's.
I LOVE the way the saddles ride. However, I don't see the stirrup fenders or what's holding the girth on holding up for very long at all.
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | If you have a concern you need to call Circle Y. I do know they were using Biothane and they were replacing them if anyone had a problem with them starting to tear. I know some people that like the biothane over the leather. Seems to be a personal preference. I had a new Jackie that I just sold the lady was thrilled it had the biothane. I have another used one that was used pretty hard and there is a little tear on the ends but I consider it normal wear and tear. |
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Porta Potty Pants
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| I'm going to look at mine tomorrow. Thanks for bringing this up! |
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 Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | azsun - 2016-02-27 10:40 PM I'm going to look at mine tomorrow. Thanks for bringing this up!
Me too!! |
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 Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Â I will check mine too. I know the attachment my stirrups hang from is rectangle rather than rounded on the bottom like yours is. I love how my saddle rides too and prob about to buy another one, but I do agree the quality could be better. Still love it though. |
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Porta Potty Pants
Posts: 2600
| Runaway - 2016-02-27 7:34 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-27 5:40 PM Looked at mine and that piece that holds the fenders goes further up under the saddle. It's not very thick though and I'm not sure it's even leather. Almost looks like vinyl? When it broke could you tell if it was leather? And did it just tear on the bottom of that piece or the stitching tear loose? I had heard after I bought mine back in the fall that they were going to change up the way the fender tied into the saddle. Wonder if this is why? I know a lot of people that have bought the Jackie saddle and none have had problems yet.
Mine has not broken yet, just have seen my friends' break. Not sure if mine is vinyl or leather; it's black, but looks like leather. Very, very thin and doesn't look like it would hold out long. I'm just wanting to know how many actual accidents from these breaking; I now know 3 locally from new/newer Tammie & Jackie Circle Y's.Â
I LOVE the way the saddles ride. However, I don't see the stirrup fenders or what's holding the girth on holding up for very long at all.
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will your friend allow you to post a photo or two?
I checked mine today and didn't see anything, but clearly this is something I need to check all the time - like the chicago screws on my headstall. |
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Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida |
Thanks for the replies. Anyone know of any newJackie/Tammie saddles breaking during runs? I know of 3 in my area; 2 saddle fenders and one girth breaking during runs. Anyone else???
The little black piece is very thin that holds the girth and the saddle fenders the same thin piece.
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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Runaway - 2016-02-29 12:02 AM
Thanks for the replies. Anyone know of any newJackie/Tammie saddles breaking during runs? I know of 3 in my area; 2 saddle fenders and one girth breaking during runs. Anyone else???
The little black piece is very thin that holds the girth and the saddle fenders the same thin piece.
Yup! I don't know how new that Jackie is - maybe two or three years old? My right fender broke coming into the second barrel. It was really cheap leather and split right at the top. Thank the Lord I was on my big mare who is broad as a barn and smooth-moving to boot or I would have eaten dirt. Lots and LOTS of butt pucker.
I had a local guy make some new leathers for it out of much better quality stuff and I keep a sharp eye on my other Jackie for signs of wear. Those will probably get replaced soon too. |
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Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida | TrackinBubba - 2016-02-29 8:48 AM Runaway - 2016-02-29 12:02 AM
Thanks for the replies. Anyone know of any newJackie/Tammie saddles breaking during runs? I know of 3 in my area; 2 saddle fenders and one girth breaking during runs. Anyone else???
The little black piece is very thin that holds the girth and the saddle fenders the same thin piece.
Yup! I don't know how new that Jackie is - maybe two or three years old? My right fender broke coming into the second barrel. It was really cheap leather and split right at the top. Thank the Lord I was on my big mare who is broad as a barn and smooth-moving to boot or I would have eaten dirt. Lots and LOTS of butt pucker.
I had a local guy make some new leathers for it out of much better quality stuff and I keep a sharp eye on my other Jackie for signs of wear. Those will probably get replaced soon too.
The scary part is the girth is fastened to the saddle with the exact same little tiny piece of leather (or whatever the material is)! It's a prescription for disaster. |
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 A very grounded girl
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Location: Moving soon..... | A friend of mine had her break and Tammy was there. Tammy told her that there was a some saddles made last summer that they had a bad batch of leather. Tammy replaced here right there.
Circle Y will replace anything on your saddle that goes wrong. I just sent mine back (they had not broken) and they sent me two new ones. |
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Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida | Karol - 2016-02-29 1:14 PM A friend of mine had her break and Tammy was there. Tammy told her that there was a some saddles made last summer that they had a bad batch of leather. Tammy replaced here right there.
Circle Y will replace anything on your saddle that goes wrong. I just sent mine back (they had not broken) and they sent me two new ones.
Thanks, that's good to know. I think I'm going to send both of mine back before I end up in a heap in the arena. There is no possible way you could expect the tiny little piece of black leather holding the girth on to not break. This is a real head-scratcher for me. I've examined many saddles since I discovered this and all other brands have super secure fat nylon or thick leather holding the girth on.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Circle y gave me a crooked just b natural and HORRIBLE customer service. Never again.
For the expense of the new saddles, the quality just isn't there. Jmho. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-02-29 3:21 PM Circle y gave me a crooked just b natural and HORRIBLE customer service. Never again.
For the expense of the new saddles, the quality just isn't there. Jmho.
What I find scary is that a $2,000. saddle is now considered a lower end saddle..LOL |
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | So I checked mine out today. It doesn't look the same as yours. The metal piece on mine is square, not round. And it isn't leather, more like biothane, or maybe coated leather. But it does seem sturdy. Did your friend's tear right there at the ring, or up in the "guts" that you can't see?
Mine looks solid but you never know I guess. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I will tell you that as a saddlemaker, my husband will not touch the Circle Y treeless saddles for any repair. He has gotten in two in the past few years and his statement is "send it back to the manufacturer" ! |
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