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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Yes. Lasix nearly knocks out my open gelding. Thankfully he doesn't need it (we found other treatments). But he would appear "sedated" after lasix. | |
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| My horse appeared to be sedated and had no run. I believe it lower his blood pressure to much. | |
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| When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-03-06 3:33 AM
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| How much are you all giving that are having issues with it taking the run out? Have you tried lowering the dose? | |
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| No, our bleeder still gets on the muscle and fires hard. He gets 3 1/2 ccs 2 1/2 hours out. We give him a tube of electrolytes after every run. | |
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| Nope. Sometimes I believe it has the exact opposite effect. However how much are you giving exactly? Make sure to give electrolytes and I actually will offer them a little water even after I give Lasix. I give one mare Lasix IM only because that one mare has a super high metabolism and it can run through her pretty fast. On really dusty days or very hot days sometimes I will do both IM and a little iv. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them. | |
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| luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 4:57 AM
Nope. Sometimes I believe it has the exact opposite effect. However how much are you giving exactly? Make sure to give electrolytes and I actually will offer them a little water even after I give Lasix. I give one mare Lasix IM only because that one mare has a super high metabolism and it can run through her pretty fast. On really dusty days or very hot days sometimes I will do both IM and a little iv.
I would think this - why else does it have to be on the race program if a horse is a first-time lasix user? Maybe later it would have a sedation effect but I wouldn't think at first. | |
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| luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race .....
You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 12:51 PM luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people ignore after they make their run ... Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors... it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days. Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user?? In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ... are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ?? Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking cattle over miles of rough country... Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them. Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race ..... You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Nope, I have had mine scoped with 12 hours of a race to be sure 3 1/2 ccs dose was working-he had not bled. He will bleed if not run on lasix, it has never been more than a trickle. He also was given 6 months off, first run back without lasix he bled. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 12:51 PM
luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race .....
You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Not true at all. Honestly I don't care what they're doing on the track. Apples and oranges.
It's true that horses need adequate time to heal, with minimum 30 days.
Times and dosages are going to depend very much on the individual, nutrition, living conditions, stress level, current hydration, how long has been a bleeder, current respiratory state blah blah blah.
What is true is that all horses deserve extra care and maintenance when being asked to run hard enough to red line. Bleeders deserve even more care, as an asthmatic, I know there's no worse pain, fear and handicap than not being able to breathe.
I for one haven't had the run taken out, and feel that the rehydration process is really important too.
I've personally have had to take Lasix (it being a human drug and all), and it didn't hurt me or make me feel bad. I just had to be super conscious of my water and salt/potassium intake and make sure I stayed balanced.
Common sense, empathy, and follow through are necessary.
If the run is being taken out of your horse, I'd be questioning his current condition and nutrition, and checking blood panels to see if the Lasix is flushing something he's already short on. | |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-03-07 11:18 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 12:51 PM luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people ignore after they make their run ... Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors... it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days. Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user?? In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ... are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ?? Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking cattle over miles of rough country... Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them. Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race ..... You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Lol I'm going to agree with the girl who's horse bleeds without Lasix as well lol!! You are out of your mind if you think that 30 days off and my horse will never bleed again!! Lol I'll give you a little background one of my bleeders was scoped on the grounds directly after her first time bleeding. She was in fact given 2 months off...so that to me hoes beyond your 30 day method...in fact when not given Lasix she WILL bleed. Sorry but I've also had her scoped after giving Lasix ;) I'm smart like that...definitely to think Lasix is a "cure all " is a terrible way to think. Buyer must first and foremost EDUCATE ourselves on what works and what doesn't. When you have a bleeder and you don't give it Lasix you let me know how that goes..:)))) ps who said anyone is giving 10cc here LOL. Wow some people! Lol | |
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-03-07 11:24 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 12:51 PM
luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race .....
You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Not true at all. Honestly I don't care what they're doing on the track. Apples and oranges.
It's true that horses need adequate time to heal, with minimum 30 days.
Times and dosages are going to depend very much on the individual, nutrition, living conditions, stress level, current hydration, how long has been a bleeder, current respiratory state blah blah blah.
What is true is that all horses deserve extra care and maintenance when being asked to run hard enough to red line. Bleeders deserve even more care, as an asthmatic, I know there's no worse pain, fear and handicap than not being able to breathe.
I for one haven't had the run taken out, and feel that the rehydration process is really important too.
I've personally have had to take Lasix (it being a human drug and all ), and it didn't hurt me or make me feel bad. I just had to be super conscious of my water and salt/potassium intake and make sure I stayed balanced.
Common sense, empathy, and follow through are necessary.
If the run is being taken out of your horse, I'd be questioning his current condition and nutrition, and checking blood panels to see if the Lasix is flushing something he's already short on.
Exactly. Wow. I'm totally at a loss someone on this discussion board needs to read up on Lasix and it is definitely not me or you :) | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I've had several horses not run as hard while on lasix. Most of my friends training do the least amount of lasix as possible. (These are all men with a record of winning on TX tracks.) | |
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Location: USA | luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
She gets 3cc's 2 hrs before the run. What electrolytes do you use, a paste? | |
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| Sometimes horses will seem more calm after they've been given lasix a few times because they don't have the anxiety they used to about running.
I've had some horses run "flat" on lasix after a period of time and I always give the minimum amount a particular horse needs.
If they start to get flat, I look into a few other things as well.
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| Reactions vary from horse to horse. I've been told by some top riders that they give Lasix 4 hrs prior to the run so the horse recovers from it. It can slam some of them. More important to know though I had a long discussion with a top track vet that works for someone super rich that owns hundreds of race horses. They scope them after most workouts and after every race because Lasix is not allowed in Dubai. Healthy lungs is super important to them. He said only about 3-5% of bleeders will actually bleed out of their nose. Most are "silent bleeders". If you see one bleed out, they are severe bleeders and need 90 days of zero exercise for their lungs to truly heal. Horses bleed at the back of their lungs and will scab over but continue to bleed if you don't give them the time off to heal. (60-90 days). Once truly healed they need to be slowly worked up to being super fit before running again if you don't want to repeat the problem.
If you have a bleeder, simply putting them on Lasix will not fix your problem. Give antibiotics, get them we'll, get them fit, then run on Lasix. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | Griz - 2016-03-07 5:08 AM luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 4:57 AM Nope. Sometimes I believe it has the exact opposite effect. However how much are you giving exactly? Make sure to give electrolytes and I actually will offer them a little water even after I give Lasix. I give one mare Lasix IM only because that one mare has a super high metabolism and it can run through her pretty fast. On really dusty days or very hot days sometimes I will do both IM and a little iv. I would think this - why else does it have to be on the race program if a horse is a first-time lasix user? Maybe later it would have a sedation effect but I wouldn't think at first.
I always looked at seeing a first time Lasix runner as a sign that the trainer was trying something different (esp. if it is the same trainer as last race) because they haven't given up on the horse improving to win or otherwise advancing. If it's a trainer change-up and first time running with this new trainer and on Lasix, I usually equate that with being more about that particular trainer's program (they may run all horses on Lasix) than a trainer trying something different to make the horse run better. Whenever I see first-time on Lasix, I haven't ever equated it with a possible adverse side-effect (would have figured they would have done enough breezing and trial runs to see if a horse shut down before racing on it) but I don't know -- maybe I should from here on out. I always took it as a positive thing if the horse was with the same trainer. | |
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