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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Any ideas on why a 9yo mare would randomly flip over after asking her to lope off? Starting off with one day randomly kicking out after a flying lead change and being all around miserable. Called chiro, got her adjusted a couple days later. Was out pretty badly. 5 days later (had my wisdom teeth taken out), warm up, everything is fine and ask her to lope off, she refuses. Ask again, and she goes up and I know what's happening and I somewhat I got somewhat out of the way. Bring back to chiro, he's as baffled as I am. A little sore, but nothing that screams I am going to flip myself over. Also completely looked over saddle and tack- everything was normal.
Take horse to vet this morning. Explained everything to my vet and we went over everything- teeth, repro, bloodwork, vision, anything we could think of and nothing screamed a reason.
Is there anything else I'm not thinking of? This is completely out of character for this mare. Completely out of character so this does have me concerned.
Edited by bccanchaser16 2016-03-18 1:59 PM
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Location: Bandera, TX | I have a horse that went from being perfect to refusing to move, bucking fits and reading up.... Finally figured out that she has a bad case of kissing spine. I would get her spine x-rayed.
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Location: Florida.. | definately a issue.. does your bit have any sharp points on it ? i always check mine.. and run my fingers over where the mouthpiece connects .. sometimes there are sharp areas..
Horses dont just flip over.. so there is a reason.. keep searching |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-03-08 9:30 PM definately a issue.. does your bit have any sharp points on it ? i always check mine.. and run my fingers over where the mouthpiece connects .. sometimes there are sharp areas..
Horses dont just flip over.. so there is a reason.. keep searching
I agree to what Bibs is saying also make sure the bit is not pinching either. And check for Kissing spine, horses are so scary when they flip over, hope that you can find the cause of this, be very carefull.  |
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| Yes definitely a reason! Kissing spines, PSSM (little late in age for that but I like to be thorough), something with a tooth (not sure if you saw the episode of Untamed and Uncut but it was the same story as yours!), something under the pad pinching or sharp and just a fluke thing, stung??? |
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| I would start with ulcers. Kissing spines could be a problem also EPM. Could be teeth. Personally I would say that given the information it could be anything and a trip to the vet is in order.
Edited by streakysox 2016-03-08 10:57 PM
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Location: Kentucky | Full lameness exam first. I would get x-rays of the back - cheap insurance to rule out kissing spine. My mare acted completely out of character when she was diagnosed. She wouldn't flip over but she would buck and throw fits. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-03-08 9:30 PM
definately a issue.. does your bit have any sharp points on it ? i always check mine.. and run my fingers over where the mouthpiece connects .. sometimes there are sharp areas..
Horses dont just flip over.. so there is a reason.. keep searching
I agree! Where was she sore when your chiro worked on her the first time and second time? |
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| I would check out Ulcers... There are pressure points that when they have ulcers becomes extremely sore.
Here's a video that shows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr05hMmLCY4
Edited by FlyingJT 2016-03-09 9:53 AM
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| Did you scope her? I know this maybe reaching, but maybe she has a lazy or paralyzed flapper. Having trouble breathing is very unsettling. |
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Location: IA | Okay, I know this sounds TOTALLY crazy, but you are at the same point I was with a mare I had raised who started this--only it wasn't when I asked to lope, she would get this insane, black look across her face/eyes (if you've ever seen it, you will know what I am talking about) and flip over.
She could be standing quietly at the trailer, riding her, there was no real way to know it was going to happen until about 15-30seconds before it happened. Riding her she would ball up, and on the ground I'd see that look, and know to clear the hell out. She would throw herself and get parallel to the ground, and drop on her back. Broke two saddles that way.
I did chiro, teeth, ultrasounds, checked equipment, vets, universities, you name it, I did it. This was a 5 year old mare I had raised, ridden in a windstorm not more than 5 months before, and I could not trust this horse to not try and pancake herself.
I finally called Kathy George, the animal psychic. I KNOW, I KNOW, but it was about $25 for a 30 minute reading, and I had already wasted more money than I cared to tally up on this horse.
Well, this horse really didn't have anything to say, just went on about seeing straight lines, going straight lines, that's what she wanted to do. Well heck, that didn't help. So I had more time in my session, and I asked about my other horses.....Boy, did I get an earful! Keep in mind, these are either full or half sisters, and had been penned with her for 4 years. They "said" all she did was complain, whine and nothing was ever good enough. That she wanted everything her way or no way, and she drove them nuts. So I asked a few things about each of them, and did find some very helpful information that made a big difference for each of them as well. She told me things about them that nobody else could have known, and when I did the things she told me about, made the changes---what a world of difference.
I gave that mare one more chance, tried everything, and she flipped over on my husband. How he got clear is amazing to me, but he wouldn't let me put a bullet in her right then. I ended up trading her to a friend that had always wanted her--with FULL disclosure---and they got along fine.
The reason for telling this long story is that you don't have anything to lose, but lots of people have had luck calling Kathy George about their horses. Maybe it will help, maybe not, but when you figure $25-$50 for her to "talk" to your horse, compared to thousands in vet bills, x rays, MRI, etc......it may be worth a shot.
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| Have you changed saddle pads? I put a new one on my mare and she started kicking out and bucked. I went from a wool blend to foam. She hated it. I switched back and she didn't do it again.
Or using a super old one? After a pad breaks down it can start pinching.
Do you use a treeless saddle by chance? Ive had a few people tell me it can start pinching after breaking it in. |
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Location: In my own world | GoMistyGo - 2016-03-08 8:42 PM I have a horse that went from being perfect to refusing to move, bucking fits and reading up.... Finally figured out that she has a bad case of kissing spine. I would get her spine x-rayed. Good luck!!
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Location: Northwest Florida | How does she behave when asked to lope during ground work, unsaddled?
I believe she needs a full exam from a vet, as there are many different possible causes and it looks like it may not be somethine a chiro can fix. |
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| Mine did the exact same thing but when asked to trot off, ended up having kissing spine....now that we have gotten that sorted out, he is a totally different horse! |
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Mature beyond Years
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | spitzh - 2016-03-09 8:46 AM Have you changed saddle pads? I put a new one on my mare and she started kicking out and bucked. I went from a wool blend to foam. She hated it. I switched back and she didn't do it again. Or using a super old one? After a pad breaks down it can start pinching. Do you use a treeless saddle by chance? Ive had a few people tell me it can start pinching after breaking it in.
Nope, no change in anything for saddle pad or pad. 5 Star pad and ride in a Meleta Brown saddle. |
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Mature beyond Years
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | BigStarBound - 2016-03-09 9:00 AM How does she behave when asked to lope during ground work, unsaddled? I believe she needs a full exam from a vet, as there are many different possible causes and it looks like it may not be somethine a chiro can fix.
She's acts completely fine when asked to lope on a lunge line.
I've already taken her to the vet :) Bloodwork, teeth, vision, ultrasounded ovaries- came back all normal. I still think something is wrong so that's why I came back to BHW.
And for someone else who said ulcers- asked my vet about that and he said short of scoping which he doesn't really recommend for this horse, he doesn't think she has them. I have treated before with UlcerGuard and THE GastroPlus and after all that, she was a totally different horse but she's not displaying any of the symptoms she had when she had ulcers. |
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Location: Kentucky | bccanchaser16 - 2016-03-09 12:42 PM
BigStarBound - 2016-03-09 9:00 AM How does she behave when asked to lope during ground work, unsaddled? I believe she needs a full exam from a vet, as there are many different possible causes and it looks like it may not be somethine a chiro can fix.
She's acts completely fine when asked to lope on a lunge line. I've already taken her to the vet : ) Bloodwork, teeth, vision, ultrasounded ovaries- came back all normal. I still think something is wrong so that's why I came back to BHW. And for someone else who said ulcers- asked my vet about that and he said short of scoping which he doesn't really recommend for this horse, he doesn't think she has them. I have treated before with UlcerGuard and THE GastroPlus and after all that, she was a totally different horse but she's not displaying any of the symptoms she had when she had ulcers.
Been there, bought the t-shirt. Spent $180 on x-rays, found out it was Kissing Spine on my mare. Wished I would have started there first. |
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Location: Wasagaming, Manitoba, Canada | I agree with Checking for Kissing Spine. |
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