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| I recently stumbled across halter horses and I see a lot of them selling cheap. First of all, why so cheap? (I know they are not broke to ride) Could one have any success in the barrel pen?
Here's the website I accidently found: http://internethorseauctions.com/auction.php?aucid=154
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Location: Somewhere around here | I had a halter/pleasure bred mare in high school and she was one of the best horses I've ever owned. I wish I never had to sell her otherwise I'm pretty sure I would've rodeoed on her in college and kept her afterward. Honestly I can't quite remember how fast she was but she did win me money and she was fun to ride. Lots of heart and try. |
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| A lot of Impressive bred horses are HOT HOT HOT. My friend had one she raced and that little nutcase could hardly turn, but ran fast enough she still made money - even if you do have to have 4 people waving at the gate to stop it. Even on the ground, they are just HOT and mean. Most aren't sound to ride due to their conformation. Halter bred horses are not bred to be ridden, and usually they don't hold up due to the stress on their bad legs and tiny feet. You also have to worry about the genetic diseases halter people love to breed - HYPP severely shortens their lifespan and is quite cruel really.
Halter horses are not built to do anything but stand in a stall and eat all the food they can pump into them (which is why most are really hot by nature).
ETA: A lot of the lower priced horses are N/H for HYPP. There is always a reason they are cheap.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Their conformation is often contrary to what you would want in a rider. They are also not bred for any kind of trainable disposition because most are never ridden. That doesn't mean there are not good ones out there. I would pass as there are so many other cheaper horses that are often grandsons/daughters of the "greats". |
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| Having a friend who feeds and trains for halter, I wouldn't look at one shown, too much stress on the tendons, ligaments and joints. Also too much weight on the joints at a young age. |
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| I had a halter bred gelding that was fast as lightening but getting him to turn was a 50/50 shot! |
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Location: Kentucky | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-15 7:29 PM A lot of Impressive bred horses are HOT HOT HOT. My friend had one she raced and that little nutcase could hardly turn, but ran fast enough she still made money - even if you do have to have 4 people waving at the gate to stop it. Even on the ground, they are just HOT and mean. Most aren't sound to ride due to their conformation. Halter bred horses are not bred to be ridden, and usually they don't hold up due to the stress on their bad legs and tiny feet. You also have to worry about the genetic diseases halter people love to breed - HYPP severely shortens their lifespan and is quite cruel really. Halter horses are not built to do anything but stand in a stall and eat all the food they can pump into them (which is why most are really hot by nature). ETA: A lot of the lower priced horses are N/H for HYPP. There is always a reason they are cheap.
I had an Impressive bred gelding and he wasn't hot or mean. Actually, he was incredibly sweet. I can't even say that "most" of them are hot or mean, and I've been around a few. I try not to lump bloodlines in a stereotype just from one experience. However, mine was HYPP N/H and did die from it. |
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| What does HYPP N/H mean?
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Location: Kentucky | spitzh - 2016-03-16 10:34 AM What does HYPP N/H mean?
https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/hypp.php |
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Location: California | I bought one just a little over a year ago. I liked her conformation and her price so I picked her up. She was only shown as a yearling so she wasn't over the top muscular or in show shape. She wasn't broke as a coming 4 year old but that is exactly what I wanted. Today she is cruising through a nice pattern and is a pretty nice head horse. She has a ton of speed, was the most trainable horse I have ever started and is smart! I had her feet fully x-rayed/lameness and she passed perfectly. I would not hesitate to do it again, but I have gone and looked at a couple that were very unsound and way to straight up in the hind end for me. I think there are some out there, but definitely be picky.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ruby+red+stilletos
First image is her about a week off the truck (shipped from New York to Cali)
Second image is her in September.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Do what you want, but BUYER BEWARE! That's why they are cheap. PSSM1, HYPP, bad dispositions, conformation not right for speed or athletic ability. Small feet, huge bodies, short pasterns, posty hocks, etc.......
One in 465465165165 will be great. But the odds are against you. |
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Location: Oregon | Here's my Impressive bred halter boy who is the biggest sugar lump, sweet, friendly, not hot or mean. He's now my steady-eddie trail horse because the LAST thing he wants to do is run, lol. I bought him from a friend who started him on barrels after a nice short show career and Mr. Bill is just happy going on adventures outside of the arena. 
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Location: Kentucky | Here was mine. He was a cool cat.
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Location: So. California | If they are Impressive bred, you need to make sure they are HYPP n/n. Also, PSSM1 is a concern with halter bred horses (higher percentage with halter horses), so they should also test PSSM1 n/n. Confirmation is also an issue as they breed for non-performance look. Good luck!! |
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Location: That part of Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-15 6:29 PM A lot of Impressive bred horses are HOT HOT HOT. My friend had one she raced and that little nutcase could hardly turn, but ran fast enough she still made money - even if you do have to have 4 people waving at the gate to stop it. Even on the ground, they are just HOT and mean. Most aren't sound to ride due to their conformation. Halter bred horses are not bred to be ridden, and usually they don't hold up due to the stress on their bad legs and tiny feet. You also have to worry about the genetic diseases halter people love to breed - HYPP severely shortens their lifespan and is quite cruel really. Halter horses are not built to do anything but stand in a stall and eat all the food they can pump into them (which is why most are really hot by nature). ETA: A lot of the lower priced horses are N/H for HYPP. There is always a reason they are cheap.
Back in the 1970's when Impressive was toping the leading sire charts for halter horses, it was based in a different era where breeding for certain characteristics in halter horses is completely irrelevant from what has happened now in the past 10-15 years. When you realize Impressive's main competition in the halter horse siring business was Two Eyed Jack, you really start to understand and realize the span that it's all taken since that time. When you think of halter horse sires, Two Eyed Jack doesn't come to mind for many but that was the build they loved and promoted at the time and Impressive as more like that philosophy than what halter is today. I know many people continue to use Impressive in their halter horse names, breeding publicat
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| Red Raider - 2016-03-16 2:53 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-15 6:29 PM A lot of Impressive bred horses are HOT HOT HOT. My friend had one she raced and that little nutcase could hardly turn, but ran fast enough she still made money - even if you do have to have 4 people waving at the gate to stop it. Even on the ground, they are just HOT and mean. Most aren't sound to ride due to their conformation. Halter bred horses are not bred to be ridden, and usually they don't hold up due to the stress on their bad legs and tiny feet. You also have to worry about the genetic diseases halter people love to breed - HYPP severely shortens their lifespan and is quite cruel really. Halter horses are not built to do anything but stand in a stall and eat all the food they can pump into them (which is why most are really hot by nature). ETA: A lot of the lower priced horses are N/H for HYPP. There is always a reason they are cheap. Back in the 1970's when Impressive was toping the leading sire charts for halter horses, it was based in a different era where breeding for certain characteristics in halter horses is completely irrelevant from what has happened now in the past 10-15 years. When you realize Impressive's main competition in the halter horse siring business was Two Eyed Jack, you really start to understand and realize the span that it's all taken since that time. When you think of halter horse sires, Two Eyed Jack doesn't come to mind for many but that was the build they loved and promoted at the time and Impressive as more like that philosophy than what halter is today. I know many people continue to use Impressive in their halter horse names, breeding publicat
Impressive himself was not built badly, but the halter breeders have now bred for posty legs, over muscled, disease ridden horses just so they look 'good', even if use is entirely thrown out the window.
It's hard to find an ethical breeder now a days, but I personally like the Impressive line, when it's clean. They usually don't hold up MENTALLY to running all the time though. There are always exceptions, but that's the tendency I've seen. |
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Location: That part of Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-16 2:28 PM Red Raider - 2016-03-16 2:53 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-15 6:29 PM A lot of Impressive bred horses are HOT HOT HOT. My friend had one she raced and that little nutcase could hardly turn, but ran fast enough she still made money - even if you do have to have 4 people waving at the gate to stop it. Even on the ground, they are just HOT and mean. Most aren't sound to ride due to their conformation. Halter bred horses are not bred to be ridden, and usually they don't hold up due to the stress on their bad legs and tiny feet. You also have to worry about the genetic diseases halter people love to breed - HYPP severely shortens their lifespan and is quite cruel really. Halter horses are not built to do anything but stand in a stall and eat all the food they can pump into them (which is why most are really hot by nature). ETA: A lot of the lower priced horses are N/H for HYPP. There is always a reason they are cheap.
Back in the 1970's when Impressive was toping the leading sire charts for halter horses, it was based in a different era where breeding for certain characteristics in halter horses is completely irrelevant from what has happened now in the past 10-15 years. When you realize Impressive's main competition in the halter horse siring business was Two Eyed Jack, you really start to understand and realize the span that it's all taken since that time. When you think of halter horse sires, Two Eyed Jack doesn't come to mind for many but that was the build they loved and promoted at the time and Impressive as more like that philosophy than what halter is today. I know many people continue to use Impressive in their halter horse names, breeding publicat Impressive himself was not built badly, but the halter breeders have now bred for posty legs, over muscled, disease ridden horses just so they look 'good', even if use is entirely thrown out the window. It's hard to find an ethical breeder now a days, but I personally like the Impressive line, when it's clean. They usually don't hold up MENTALLY to running all the time though. There are always exceptions, but that's the tendency I've seen.
My post got cut off quite a bit but what I was stating was that the lines from what they started at in the 70's with Impressive are not where near what is being bred today. People use "Impressive" as part of a name but it doesn't reflect what the horse was, especially when people bred him for performance horses. I was around a few of them as team roping horses in the 80's and I own two "Impressive-bred" horses now that do not fit the description you have given them -- in fact they are probably the exact opposite. The one horse out of all of mine who is the first to use a cool head, calm herself down and perform under pressure in a situation is a 5th generation Impressive grand-get. She got that temperament from her dam and is probably like most horses with Impressive so far back that is really all about it's the breeding now and not his fault/influence that they behave that way. The only thing both of them probably have from Impressive is an influence on their color (both are sorrels) and possibly a little bit of the build still left since that are well-built mares. Thankfully he didn't pass HYPP along to them. |
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| Thanks everyone for the info. |
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| I had an Impressive bred gelding and he wasn't hot or mean. Actually, he was incredibly sweet. I can't even say that "most" of them are hot or mean, and I've been around a few. I try not to lump bloodlines in a stereotype just from one experience. However, mine was HYPP N/H and did die from it.
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Location: Texas | Not all Impressive bred horses are hot and not all have bad dispositions. I've shown halter and have several of them now to ride. If you were to actually look at the way Impressive is bred you'll see that he has some nice running blood in him, Sugar Bars, Leo, Lightening Bar etc. AND if you really look you'll see that his Momma is a 1/2 sister to Doc Bar. Both were sired by Lightening Bar. It's been my finding that a lot of people who talk badly about them have never even owned an Impressive horse. There are good and bad dispositions and conformation in every blood line. Do your research and judge each horse as an individual don't lump them all under one category. |
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