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Location: Gainesville, TX | Pretty sure most of the high dollar animals are sold to Brazil. I know most of the barrel racing over there is actually done by men. I think they have a weight minimum of 165 lbs. My filly's sire, Scrutinizer, was sold down there.
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Location: Kansas | The fatality rate seems to be high among American horses flown to Brazil. Go figure. Climate, feed, handlers.....tough change for them. |
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| Their farrier and vet care just aren't up to par I think.
Just thinking of a few that have gone down there.
Dash For Perks (deceased)
Holland Ease (deceased)
Spend A Buck (deceased)
Silver Train (deceased)
Dashin Is Easy
Panther Mountain
La Jolla Gold
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| Brazil has very strict import rules. You can't just import any horse on a whim. Stallions and mares only and they must meet the requirements from a performance standpoint. They can import young horses as long as the site and dam meet their requirements. The Brazilians spend a ton of money on those top notch, proven horses. The numbers of American horses going to Brazil has declined because Brazil has made it even tougher to import. Money talks. |
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| SKM - 2016-03-21 10:36 AM
Brazil has very strict import rules. You can't just import any horse on a whim. Stallions and mares only and they must meet the requirements from a performance standpoint. They can import young horses as long as the site and dam meet their requirements. The Brazilians spend a ton of money on those top notch, proven horses. The numbers of American horses going to Brazil has declined because Brazil has made it even tougher to import. Money talks.
So basically they buy high caliber breeding stock to improve the quality available in Brazil? I am guessing they did not have a large quantity of Quarter horses there, without importing of course... I would imagine this is taking of due to the popularity of roping/barrel racing in Brazil. Would that be a correct assumption? |
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| scwebster - 2016-03-21 9:42 AM
SKM - 2016-03-21 10:36 AM
Brazil has very strict import rules. You can't just import any horse on a whim. Stallions and mares only and they must meet the requirements from a performance standpoint. They can import young horses as long as the site and dam meet their requirements. The Brazilians spend a ton of money on those top notch, proven horses. The numbers of American horses going to Brazil has declined because Brazil has made it even tougher to import. Money talks.
So basically they buy high caliber breeding stock to improve the quality available in Brazil? I am guessing they did not have a large quantity of Quarter horses there, without importing of course... I would imagine this is taking of due to the popularity of roping/barrel racing in Brazil. Would that be a correct assumption?
Yes. Also flat track racing. Two of ours went to Brazil. Plain Eye Opening and then his full brother when the brother was a yearling. |
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Location: Kentucky | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-03-21 10:16 AM Their farrier and vet care just aren't up to par I think. Just thinking of a few that have gone down there. Dash For Perks (deceased) Holland Ease (deceased) Spend A Buck (deceased) Silver Train (deceased) Dashin Is Easy Panther Mountain La Jolla Gold That's all I can think of off the top of my head
Sour Mash Dash too I think? |
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| scwebster - 2016-03-20 10:54 PM
Why are so many American horses bought and taken to Brazil? Are they improving their horses through breeding? What are some reasons?
They really try to get big name AQHA roping horses in Brazil. With All Probability "Ticket" (won aqha super horse) was one. It really depends on who gets the horses how well they end up, but I think the rate of horses doing good over there is getting better. They have slowed the importing lately due to the cost of the dollar and being able to breed more good genetics over there. |
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| Shannon Kerr could probably answer a lot of questions. I do know that BVEH has a clinic in Brazil now and several Brazilians have interned in the states with them. Actually one of the surgeons and really good lameness/sports medicine vets at BVEH Navastoa is Brazilian. I think they are really trying to better, promote and manage the a superior breed there. The quality is a huge deal. |
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Location: SP, Brazil | Kylar is correct. The exportation of horse to Brazil has slowed down or almost stopped for three reasons.
The main reason being that the dollar has gotten stronger and made the horses even more expensive. For example, a few years ago a $100,000 horse would have cost a brazilian $160,000 in brazilian dollars, today that same $100,000 horse would cost a brazilian $400,000 brazilian dollars.
The second reason is that now with embryo transfer - usually 3-4 foals per year by top bred mares - and having the best stallions in the world, we can buy here better prospects than what we can find in the states and usually cheaper for the brazilian dollar.
Third - and in my opinion, the most important - all the top studs have sent semen down here. FG, ASOF, DTF, Stoli, all of them. So we can breed here, and breed better mares (pedigree and/or records) than what we can find in the states and do it A LOT cheaper.
The breeding programs here are unbelievable. There are several ranches with over 200 foals born per year. I dont know of anyone in the States that does it on that large of a scale and here there are several.
As for the horses dying, a lot of the famous horses that died were bought at old ages to start with. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants their investmant to die here and no they do not insure them. So it is not for insurance money. Sometimes its just accidents. I can tell you that many of the horses live AMAZING lives here. There is no snow, the grass is green all year round, and these farms give excellent care to these imported horses. Think of how many horses have died in the States? These things happen. |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-03-21 9:16 AM
Their farrier and vet care just aren't up to par I think.
Just thinking of a few that have gone down there.
Dash For Perks (deceased)
Holland Ease (deceased)
Spend A Buck (deceased)
Silver Train (deceased)
Dashin Is Easy
Panther Mountain
La Jolla Gold
That's all I can think of off the top of my head
Fishers Dash. He's deceased, but I believe he was 22 when he died so it could have been age related. As Sharp said, and she's the expert here , many were aged when they were exported.
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| Plain Eye Opening was dead within 6 months of going to Brazil. He wasn't an old horse. He was probably about 9. They said it was colic. Whatever it was, it was a sad deal. |
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Location: Kansas | Sharp - 2016-03-22 6:16 AM Kylar is correct. The exportation of horse to Brazil has slowed down or almost stopped for three reasons. The main reason being that the dollar has gotten stronger and made the horses even more expensive. For example, a few years ago a $100,000 horse would have cost a brazilian $160,000 in brazilian dollars, today that same $100,000 horse would cost a brazilian $400,000 brazilian dollars. The second reason is that now with embryo transfer - usually 3-4 foals per year by top bred mares - and having the best stallions in the world, we can buy here better prospects than what we can find in the states and usually cheaper for the brazilian dollar. Third - and in my opinion, the most important - all the top studs have sent semen down here. FG, ASOF, DTF, Stoli, all of them. So we can breed here, and breed better mares (pedigree and/or records) than what we can find in the states and do it A LOT cheaper. The breeding programs here are unbelievable. There are several ranches with over 200 foals born per year. I dont know of anyone in the States that does it on that large of a scale and here there are several. As for the horses dying, a lot of the famous horses that died were bought at old ages to start with. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants their investmant to die here and no they do not insure them. So it is not for insurance money. Sometimes its just accidents. I can tell you that many of the horses live AMAZING lives here. There is no snow, the grass is green all year round, and these farms give excellent care to these imported horses. Think of how many horses have died in the States? These things happen.
I think you can pull up a Youtube picture of Designer Red in Brazil.... paper thin and extremely lame in the front end. Taken at an ugly concretized Brazilian stable.
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| Sharp - 2016-03-22 6:16 AM
Kylar is correct. The exportation of horse to Brazil has slowed down or almost stopped for three reasons.
The main reason being that the dollar has gotten stronger and made the horses even more expensive. For example, a few years ago a $100,000 horse would have cost a brazilian $160,000 in brazilian dollars, today that same $100,000 horse would cost a brazilian $400,000 brazilian dollars.
The second reason is that now with embryo transfer - usually 3-4 foals per year by top bred mares - and having the best stallions in the world, we can buy here better prospects than what we can find in the states and usually cheaper for the brazilian dollar.
Third - and in my opinion, the most important - all the top studs have sent semen down here. FG, ASOF, DTF, Stoli, all of them. So we can breed here, and breed better mares (pedigree and/or records) than what we can find in the states and do it A LOT cheaper.
The breeding programs here are unbelievable. There are several ranches with over 200 foals born per year. I dont know of anyone in the States that does it on that large of a scale and here there are several.
As for the horses dying, a lot of the famous horses that died were bought at old ages to start with. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants their investmant to die here and no they do not insure them. So it is not for insurance money. Sometimes its just accidents. I can tell you that many of the horses live AMAZING lives here. There is no snow, the grass is green all year round, and these farms give excellent care to these imported horses. Think of how many horses have died in the States? These things happen.
When did the QH breed take off in Brazil? Has this started in the past few decades or long before? |
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| Frodo - 2016-03-22 8:30 AM
Sharp - 2016-03-22 6:16 AM Kylar is correct. The exportation of horse to Brazil has slowed down or almost stopped for three reasons. The main reason being that the dollar has gotten stronger and made the horses even more expensive. For example, a few years ago a $100,000 horse would have cost a brazilian $160,000 in brazilian dollars, today that same $100,000 horse would cost a brazilian $400,000 brazilian dollars. The second reason is that now with embryo transfer - usually 3-4 foals per year by top bred mares - and having the best stallions in the world, we can buy here better prospects than what we can find in the states and usually cheaper for the brazilian dollar. Third - and in my opinion, the most important - all the top studs have sent semen down here. FG, ASOF, DTF, Stoli, all of them. So we can breed here, and breed better mares (pedigree and/or records) than what we can find in the states and do it A LOT cheaper. The breeding programs here are unbelievable. There are several ranches with over 200 foals born per year. I dont know of anyone in the States that does it on that large of a scale and here there are several. As for the horses dying, a lot of the famous horses that died were bought at old ages to start with. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants their investmant to die here and no they do not insure them. So it is not for insurance money. Sometimes its just accidents. I can tell you that many of the horses live AMAZING lives here. There is no snow, the grass is green all year round, and these farms give excellent care to these imported horses. Think of how many horses have died in the States? These things happen.
I think you can pull up a Youtube picture of Designer Red in Brazil.... paper thin and extremely lame in the front end. Taken at an ugly concretized Brazilian stable.
Designer Red is old...last video I seen of him he looked very good body condition for his age....also he is foundered and I am sure he has the best vet care to keep him as comfortable as possible...however sometimes when things like that happen coupled with age, the horse will never be clinically sound again. No fault to the Brazilians it is life...He could have foundered in the US.... he is very valuable.
Brazil has been importing some of the best running stallions out of Louisiana and Texas for years.... 5 years ago I said they would surpass the US in quality horses within the next 20...their environment is more conducive to breeding good horses, they have the weather to grow some really great forage and the money....their economy was really booming a few years ago, I am not sure about now, but a few years ago Brazil was the place to be. (i will say I am a little biased as its been a dream of mine to make the move to Brazil)
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