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| Could someone explain to me what an equal pay barrel race is? I haven't seen many around my area so I was just curious. Do people like that? Thanks! |
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| In this area, all the D's pay the same rate whether it's the 1D or the 4.
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1st $200
2nd $130
3rd $80
2D
1st $200
2nd $130
3rd $80
3D
1st $200
2nd $130
3rd $80
ETA: They have only done a few of them. The riders who run in the lower D's really seem to like them but the ones on faster horses want those bigger payouts.
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| Yea that doesn't seem completely fair. Thank you for the explanation! I appreciate it. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I like to refer to them as Democratic barrel races. 
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| A terrible idea... |
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| There is a association here that does the equal pay. Their reasoning is that everyone pays the same entry fee. They actually get a lot of people at their races. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Given the choice, I won't go to an equal pay race......but if it's the only thing going on, I'll suck it up and go.
I strongly disagree with this kind of payout. |
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| heidiinaz - 2016-03-24 1:39 PM
There is a association here that does the equal pay. Their reasoning is that everyone pays the same entry fee. They actually get a lot of people at their races.
I refuse to support them period. |
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| mreklaw - 2016-03-24 12:36 PM I like to refer to them as Democratic barrel races.
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| MS2011 - 2016-03-24 12:42 PM
Given the choice, I won't go to an equal pay race......but if it's the only thing going on, I'll suck it up and go.
I strongly disagree with this kind of payout.
Me too! I hate the idea. I will go if it's the only one.
They did a backward payout around here last year. Talk about screwy and bizarre. Rather than paying the top spots in the Ds they paid the last spots. The reasoning for it was there are girls who show up to every race and are always in the bottom of their D's. Why would anyone with a fast horse even show up?
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| cyount2009 - 2016-03-24 12:51 PM
MS2011 - 2016-03-24 12:42 PM
Given the choice, I won't go to an equal pay race......but if it's the only thing going on, I'll suck it up and go.
I strongly disagree with this kind of payout.
Me too! I hate the idea. I will go if it's the only one.
They did a backward payout around here last year. Talk about screwy and bizarre. Rather than paying the top spots in the Ds they paid the last spots. The reasoning for it was there are girls who show up to every race and are always in the bottom of their D's. Why would anyone with a fast horse even show up?
I could understand it if they paid the top places like normal and then paid the last two or three holes in each D as an incentive for those girls to come back. To just pay the last holes, that's stupid! |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-03-24 12:47 PM
mreklaw - 2016-03-24 12:36 PM I like to refer to them as Democratic barrel races. Socialist would be a better term. I am a 3D rider, my daughter can get on the same horse and pull a 1D check, that ability and skill should be rewarded. It is no different than in the work place, those that can "produce more" get paid more. It is what you produce, not what got you there, like in all areas of life.
Well I used Democrat because people want to get rewarded even if they don't do the work. Basically handouts. A true competition rewards the best of the field with the most money. I know its been a shot in the arm for our sport but for what price. I still hate myself for wishing someone would run faster so I will "fall" in the right place. Makes me sick to catch myself thinking that. |
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| Whats the point in even calling it a race, why don't they all just get participation ribbons and draw names out of a hat to see who gets the money  |
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| Great for the slow horse totally sucks for the fast horse. |
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| Agreed, its a Barrel RACE equal pay will provide absolutely zero incentive to do better and get faster. I think even the races that are not equal are still to fair. Our association uses 30,27,23,20 for the 1,2,3,4D respectively. There is a slightly better pay off for 1D but not enough!!! I think it should be more like 50, 30, 15,5. Yep you pay the same entry fee but if you don't like being at the bottom of the barrel, train harder, get in better shape as a rider, train better bred horses. If your doing it just for fun and your horse does not have the ability to improve or go faster then thats great to! You will probably get your fees back plus a coke on the way home. |
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Location: Canada | We did it one year for an event we were trying to attract people too. The event was a Futurity/Derby with a Jackpot and typically brought in some pro level girls who were carrying their time over from the Futurity/Derby races. They weren't racing again and because the ladies basically took home the 1D and 2D payouts people got tired of coming because the payouts in the 3D and 4D really weren't worth coming. (These were women coming from far away locations (16+ hours) where there are winter jackpots and lots of year round events so the local competitors didn't feel the event was worth attending.)
The year we made it equal we increased our attendance by 40% which made a huge difference and it brought people back to the event. It was great for attracting people and making decisions for the future of that event.
A lot of people made the same comment that if it's equal what is the incentive to get better. I've witnessed a lot of 1D riders who can't ride worth crap but can hang on (sometimes barely) and run a really fast horse. I've also witnessed a lot of 3D riders who can't afford anything more get the most out of their 3D horse with perfect patterns. Saying that a person won't get better has more factors then what a clock and a cheque says.
Just because there are equal payouts doesn't mean you're going to get a cheque so I don't understand why a person wouldn't attend (unless you make your living running barrels).
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| RunNitroRun - 2016-03-24 1:32 PM
We did it one year for an event we were trying to attract people too. The event was a Futurity/Derby with a Jackpot and typically brought in some pro level girls who were carrying their time over from the Futurity/Derby races. They weren't racing again and because the ladies basically took home the 1D and 2D payouts people got tired of coming because the payouts in the 3D and 4D really weren't worth coming. (These were women coming from far away locations (16+ hours) where there are winter jackpots and lots of year round events so the local competitors didn't feel the event was worth attending.)
The year we made it equal we increased our attendance by 40% which made a huge difference and it brought people back to the event. It was great for attracting people and making decisions for the future of that event.
A lot of people made the same comment that if it's equal what is the incentive to get better. I've witnessed a lot of 1D riders who can't ride worth crap but can hang on (sometimes barely) and run a really fast horse. I've also witnessed a lot of 3D riders who can't afford anything more get the most out of their 3D horse with perfect patterns. Saying that a person won't get better has more factors then what a clock and a cheque says.
Just because there are equal payouts doesn't mean you're going to get a cheque so I don't understand why a person wouldn't attend (unless you make your living running barrels).
I agree with this!! If you all pay the same entry fee, why not!!
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Location: The edge of no where | SassyPirate - 2016-03-24 2:38 PM RunNitroRun - 2016-03-24 1:32 PM We did it one year for an event we were trying to attract people too. The event was a Futurity/Derby with a Jackpot and typically brought in some pro level girls who were carrying their time over from the Futurity/Derby races. They weren't racing again and because the ladies basically took home the 1D and 2D payouts people got tired of coming because the payouts in the 3D and 4D really weren't worth coming. (These were women coming from far away locations (16+ hours) where there are winter jackpots and lots of year round events so the local competitors didn't feel the event was worth attending.) The year we made it equal we increased our attendance by 40% which made a huge difference and it brought people back to the event. It was great for attracting people and making decisions for the future of that event. A lot of people made the same comment that if it's equal what is the incentive to get better. I've witnessed a lot of 1D riders who can't ride worth crap but can hang on (sometimes barely) and run a really fast horse. I've also witnessed a lot of 3D riders who can't afford anything more get the most out of their 3D horse with perfect patterns. Saying that a person won't get better has more factors then what a clock and a cheque says. Just because there are equal payouts doesn't mean you're going to get a cheque so I don't understand why a person wouldn't attend (unless you make your living running barrels). I agree with this!! If you all pay the same entry fee, why not!! We always get way more entries when we do equal payout.
I don't like even if I'm hauling a colt that I'd be tickled to get a 5D check on.
At the end of the day - the fastest horse deserves the most $$$$. You don't really ever 'win' anything but the 1D - you just happened to get lucky and your numbers hit. Luck doesn't deserve the reward being the best does. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | MS2011 - 2016-03-24 2:47 PM
SassyPirate - 2016-03-24 2:38 PM RunNitroRun - 2016-03-24 1:32 PM We did it one year for an event we were trying to attract people too. The event was a Futurity/Derby with a Jackpot and typically brought in some pro level girls who were carrying their time over from the Futurity/Derby races. They weren't racing again and because the ladies basically took home the 1D and 2D payouts people got tired of coming because the payouts in the 3D and 4D really weren't worth coming. (These were women coming from far away locations (16+ hours) where there are winter jackpots and lots of year round events so the local competitors didn't feel the event was worth attending.) The year we made it equal we increased our attendance by 40% which made a huge difference and it brought people back to the event. It was great for attracting people and making decisions for the future of that event. A lot of people made the same comment that if it's equal what is the incentive to get better. I've witnessed a lot of 1D riders who can't ride worth crap but can hang on (sometimes barely) and run a really fast horse. I've also witnessed a lot of 3D riders who can't afford anything more get the most out of their 3D horse with perfect patterns. Saying that a person won't get better has more factors then what a clock and a cheque says. Just because there are equal payouts doesn't mean you're going to get a cheque so I don't understand why a person wouldn't attend (unless you make your living running barrels). I agree with this!! If you all pay the same entry fee, why not!! We always get way more entries when we do equal payout.
At the end of the day - the fastest horse deserves the most $$$$. You don't really ever 'win' anything but the 1D - you just happened to get lucky and your numbers hit. Luck doesn't deserve the reward being the best does.
Exactly! I agree totally with your comment MS2011. And as far as some 1D riders barely staying on their horses, I have seen very accomplished riders and trainers almost come off really quick or hard turning horses. ALso, most large events and associations give the same awards across the board for all divisions winners and I feel this is enough reward for just happening to fall in the right place. Sheer luck doesn't deserve the same as the best of the day.
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| MS2011 - 2016-03-24 1:47 PM
SassyPirate - 2016-03-24 2:38 PM RunNitroRun - 2016-03-24 1:32 PM We did it one year for an event we were trying to attract people too. The event was a Futurity/Derby with a Jackpot and typically brought in some pro level girls who were carrying their time over from the Futurity/Derby races. They weren't racing again and because the ladies basically took home the 1D and 2D payouts people got tired of coming because the payouts in the 3D and 4D really weren't worth coming. (These were women coming from far away locations (16+ hours) where there are winter jackpots and lots of year round events so the local competitors didn't feel the event was worth attending.) The year we made it equal we increased our attendance by 40% which made a huge difference and it brought people back to the event. It was great for attracting people and making decisions for the future of that event. A lot of people made the same comment that if it's equal what is the incentive to get better. I've witnessed a lot of 1D riders who can't ride worth crap but can hang on (sometimes barely) and run a really fast horse. I've also witnessed a lot of 3D riders who can't afford anything more get the most out of their 3D horse with perfect patterns. Saying that a person won't get better has more factors then what a clock and a cheque says. Just because there are equal payouts doesn't mean you're going to get a cheque so I don't understand why a person wouldn't attend (unless you make your living running barrels). I agree with this!! If you all pay the same entry fee, why not!! We always get way more entries when we do equal payout.
At the end of the day - the fastest horse deserves the most $$$$. You don't really ever 'win' anything but the 1D - you just happened to get lucky and your numbers hit. Luck doesn't deserve the reward being the best does.
Ouch! That hurts a bit. Not everyone can afford $50,000 horses so they do what they can with what they have.
Just my opinion!!
And if it brings more entries to our jackpots then I am all for it. |
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