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Location: NC | I have an 8 yr mare that something is going on with. Shes stumped at least 2 vets plus an experienced horseman. Weve tested for lymes 2x with both times being neg. 1st vet x-ray stifles, ultra sounded suspensories, tested for lymes and injected stifles thinking that was it (swore it was stifles). Didnt fix the issue. 2nd vet at first thought it was stifles but then watched her move undersaddle and said higher up. Retested for lymes saying it was. Lymes came back negative. Gave me previcox for her once a day. Not helping her.
Backround: have had her 4yrs. Up till about year and half ago was great to ride. Could hop on bareback and was fine. Then started bucking when asked to canter. Thought was just being a brat and kept going. Went to a clinic and clinician was very adamant something was up. Had her vet checked by 1st vet. laid her off a couple months (boarding at a wierd barn with strange rules) moved the horses and then had vet out again in which she injected stifles. gave her some time off and started working again. she was still off. had 2nd opinion out. His diagnosis was lyme (neg). Said next step would be to do internal sonogram for ovarian cyst or bone scan hind end at a hospital.
The only time you notice her off is when you ask her to collect. She drags her hind end. And when you ask her to canter sometimes shes fine, then other times shes flinging her tail around and throwing bucks.
Has anyone ever had an experience with an ovarian cyst? if so what was treatment? Or anyone have any other opinions?
Sorry for how long this is! Just not sure where to go from here and unfortunately not enough money to keep spending if going to have to get another horse. |
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| First thought before ovarian cysts was definitely ovarian cysts. 2nd ulcers. 3rd kissing spine. |
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| epm look up nero test. my gelding to a tee. get tested at pathogenes. google epm look at blogs. horse not exactly right. spent about 5k vet gave up carried to another vet he diagnosed but he tested at uc davis said neg, patho genes positive.
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| Kissing spine?? |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Since its a Mare I will say ovaries.. if vet palpates her he can usually also tell if there is a issue..
while your at vets xray hocks.. Truthfully a cyst can be very painful so Id not work her until you figure it out..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2016-03-24 8:24 PM
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| I would test for EPM. If that comes back negative,then ck ovaries. But sounds like EPM to me. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Sounds a lot like mine but he never bucked. Have a rectal exam done. Cheap and easy. They can feel if her pelvis is asymmetrical. Mine had a pelvis break :( Tried some things and he turned out to be a 5 yr old pasture pet. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Did you xray hocks? the tail flinging and it happening at certain times makes me say ovaries.. but sometimes Hocks will make them drag and both are painful.. Epm is always peoples go to and other stuff is overlooked.. the pain issue to me doesnt point to epm Imho.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | IMO, it sounds like it's neurological. I would draw blood for EPM and take some back x rays for Kissing Spine.... but I am no expert and have no experience with cysts. |
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Location: NC | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-24 10:34 PM
Sounds a lot like mine but he never bucked. Have a rectal exam done. Cheap and easy. They can feel if her pelvis is asymmetrical. Mine had a pelvis break :( Tried some things and he turned out to be a 5 yr old pasture pet.
This is probably my worst thought. Im sorry for you! Unfortunately we cant afford a pasture pet so if this happens i would have to find her a new home.
Going to try and find a video of how shes moving or will take one tonight.
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Location: NC | Bibliafarm - 2016-03-25 9:46 AM
Did you xray hocks? the tail flinging and it happening at certain times makes me say ovaries.. but sometimes Hocks will make them drag and both are painful.. Epm is always peoples go to and other stuff is overlooked.. the pain issue to me doesnt point to epm Imho..
We didnt x-ray hocks. Both vets flex tested and said her hocks looked fine.
I also should mention she is very playful in her paddock and likes to run and play. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Racer4eva - 2016-03-25 11:57 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-24 10:34 PM Sounds a lot like mine but he never bucked. Have a rectal exam done. Cheap and easy. They can feel if her pelvis is asymmetrical. Mine had a pelvis break :( Tried some things and he turned out to be a 5 yr old pasture pet. This is probably my worst thought. Im sorry for you! Unfortunately we cant afford a pasture pet so if this happens i would have to find her a new home. Going to try and find a video of how shes moving or will take one tonight.
depending on the severity, most can still be broodmares. Mine was a simple case, he was in pasture and I actually checked their water and broke ice in the winter on my way to work. Saw him nearly daily. But as long as they were standing on all 4s, I went about my business. We think he must have slipped on ice/mud etc. Never knew until I started his training back up for the futurities and he just wasn't right. Especially collected up and loping smaller circles. We go to the right barrel first but he would blow out of his 2nd barrel and yet 3rd was fine. He won a handful of buckles and several AQHA points before we had him diagnosed. Everyone wanted to say hocks or stifles. Even had him injected to no improvment. 3 vets and I lost count but guessing $2500 later we did a simple rectal exam and found the issue. |
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Location: Tuttle Oklahoma | It could be an ovarian cyst. I just had one with an inflamed ovary because she had never been sewn up and whenever she would gather herself to run air would come into her uterus what would then push on her ovaries. She felt sound at a walk and a trot but would drag and swing her right rear leg in at a lope (it was only her right ovary that was bothering her). One day she would be perfect and the next she would be slinging her head and trying to buck! My vet sewed part of her up in the back and gave her a shot that made her very sick to get all her hormones lined back out; her ovaries were very overactive and she was constantly coming in and out of heat. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Racer4eva - 2016-03-25 12:00 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-03-25 9:46 AM Did you xray hocks? the tail flinging and it happening at certain times makes me say ovaries.. but sometimes Hocks will make them drag and both are painful.. Epm is always peoples go to and other stuff is overlooked.. the pain issue to me doesnt point to epm Imho.. We didnt x-ray hocks. Both vets flex tested and said her hocks looked fine. I also should mention she is very playful in her paddock and likes to run and play.
Mine does too 99.9% of people would have no idea he had any issue at all. Even when I was warming him up he looked fine. Had we known his pelvis was fractured and put him on stall rest, I would have my horse back. But we didn't so we gave him over a year off out to pasture once we did find out. He came back good and then slowly had issues again. My vet said most horses with pelvis fractures that are not obvious (dropped hip etc) are diagnoses with stifle, hock problems. Because their sore back makes them sore all over the back end. Mine had SI issues to start with. Had those injected and no help. A chiro.massage would get me 1 good run out of him. I just wish I had known what was wrong. I still feel horrible that I kept him going with such a huge problem. |
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Location: So. California | I would test for:
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Location: NC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdbE0iDmJT4 Heres a small clip from today. Its not totally obvious until under saddle. Talked to 2nd vet today and will schedule a palpation/internal check next week. Unfortunately office was closed by the time he called back. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Just because X-rays are clean on stifle doesn't mean it's good. I went through similar issues and several vets! I kept telling them it was the right stifle and they said no because X-rays and Ultrasound were clear. Finally went to Dr Tanner in Elgin and he asked if anyone scoped the joint. No and when he did he found an old fracture and cartilage damage. |
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Location: Florida.. | From the video Id check pelvis |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bibliafarm - 2016-03-25 8:26 PM
From the video Id check pelvis
I am seeing it too in the pelvis. I hope I am wrong but she moves uneven. Trotting straight away I think you would see it better. |
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| Have you had her SI checked. Also her hocks look sore to me. She is real stiff when she travels. |
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