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| In your opinions...what does one do, vs the other...when on the pattern.
In my case, I have a mare who tends to get strung out on the back side of the barrel. She will stick her nose up which in turn ends up stringing her rear end out from under her. She does this worse if I try to get her nose at all. I've done and do all the slow work. Shes seen the vet to be sure shes not hurting. It has been mentioned to me to try a bonnet. I was going to try a tie down but was told that in their opinion a tie down only 'takes the run out of one'.
So what's your opinion?
I should add this horse has not been on the pattern long, she is fairly new and this is a problem she has always had since we started and we're trying to work through. |
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Elite Veteran
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| My mare does this same thing. A tie down tends to bunch her up, so I have been working and running her in a German martingale with a gag bit. It seems to help when I two hand her around the barrel also. I hope that eventually I can take the martingale off when she learns exactly what I want from her but for now it's working. Good luck! |
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| I have never seen a tie down take the run out of a horse that needs one.... They will get faster times turning right than they would hauling butt between barrels and blowing the turns. |
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Location: IL | I am in the same position currently. I have decided to add a tie down, and have not been able to decide if it is helping yet or not. I am going to keep working with it, but I am also interested in a bonnet if I do not start seeing results soon. I have this mare extremely broke but when we come out of a turn, it is like she is searching for support and ends up blowing it. We are also having rating issues. I hope it all comes together soon, it is getting frustrating. Good luck to you though! I am looking forward to seeing other people's opinions on this. |
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Veteran
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Location: IL | Also, I tried a german martingale last summer and it only seemed to make her brace even harder. I feel like it set us back more by using it. This is just the experience I had, maybe it could work for you though. |
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 Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | Do your slow work in a german martingale and any practice runs in it as well. I, personally, wouldn't make a run in it but I think they are awesome for slow work for horses that do what you're describing. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-28 12:32 PM
I have never seen a tie down take the run out of a horse that needs one.... They will get faster times turning right than they would hauling butt between barrels and blowing the turns.
"a horse that needs one" is the key to that sentence. |
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| I had a mare that was doing something similar. She will not work with anything on her head so I really worked on collection and getting her soft and rounded up both off and on the pattern (slow work). I also tune her in an Ed Wright pretzel which really keeps her together and her legs under her. She is very light mouthed and runs in an o ring or tender touch. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| My gelding did the same thing once he started adding speed. I think it was a lazy thing for him. I used a headsetter a few times and it was all cured from there. I like the headsetter better because it is more of a pully effect vs a tie down, I feel like horses lean on. My gelding doesn't need a lot of headgear and when he threw his nose on the backside it tugged on him back and once he put his head back down, it released. |
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 Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | Either one will help to keep your horse collected better if she's not sore, but a bonnet (IMO) is better for a horse that's really broke at the poll, but tends to get its head too high. If she's getting her nose up to get away from you, a bonnet won't help much....you're going to have to have something on the nose. I ran a horse at Drysdales years ago and the first run, he was 2nd in the 3D. I went and watched my video of that run and he was getting his nose up and stalling when he should have been down and pulling as he was leaving the barrel. I put a tiedown on him for the next run and he was 2nd in the 2D....just having something to brace against as he was leaving the turn cut a half second off his time. IMO, the difference between a bonnet and tiedown is that they are somewhat stiffer in a tiedown and more flex'y in a bonnet, but a bonnet won't help if they're getting their nose up. |
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| For sticking nose out, I prefer tie down. For one with a high head, bonnet. Out of the 3, head setter is my favorite. I use it for the info between horses |
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Location: USA | I used a tiedown for my one mare who needed help staying together in the turn. The tiedown helped her because she could push against it and stay in form. I tried a bonnet on my high headed gelding and it didn't accomplish what I was wanting. I put a headsetter on him and it does what I want - he'd get his head and nose up and the headsetter helps with both. I'm for using all 3, just depends on the horse. |
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