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| I am wondering why people tend to shy away from horses with Impressive on their papers. I own a grandson and am absolutely in love with him. At a slow lope, we are clocking in the 3D and he is wicked fast on the track. He tends to get a little hot and excited in the alley way even though we're still in the patterning phase and he hasn't run on the pattern yet. I've also heard that Impressive horses are incredibly sensitive and mine certainly fits this mold but it doesn't seem like enough to shy away from them all together. Maybe it's just me. |
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Location: KS | Impressive passed HYPP to his offspring. HYPP is a genetic muscle disease. I don't believe every Quarter Horse has to be tested for it, only if Impressive is on their papers, correct me if I'm wrong. Some people just don't want that risk. |
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Location: Montana | ACowgirlsLastRun - 2016-03-31 5:33 PM Impressive passed HYPP to his offspring. HYPP is a genetic muscle disease. I don't believe every Quarter Horse has to be tested for it, only if Impressive is on their papers, correct me if I'm wrong. Some people just don't want that risk. You are correct, only horses that go back to Impressive have to be tested for HYPP. My mare was, and was N/N, therefore her foal doesn't have to be tested even though she still has Impressive on her papers.
Most people shy away from Impressive bred horses because there are quite a few out there that are just pains to be around. The one I had was a great kids horse, wonderful horse. Her filly (who is no longer a filly, but is now 10 years old) is a complete pain in the ass to be around and can be dangerous, I'm just glad I don't own her. And I'm pretty certain it isn't from the stud's side because I have a half sister to her out of the same stud but a completely differently bred dam and a completely different personality (see horse in my profil pic). The Impressive bred one gets jealous easily of any attention paid to anything else. They are a horse that you can't make into a pet and let them push you around at all, not that you should let any horse, but they will take advantage. Or so has been my experience with them. And there are good ones out there, like my mare was, but they can have a "goofy" strain I think, I'm not sure what you would call it.
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| Thank you. My gelding has Impressive on his mom's side and she was a complete idiot. The only reason we bred her was because we got a good breeding opportunity and there was no other mare around. It's quite possible that my gelding gets his speed and any other positive attributes from his sire, who is Eddie Stinson x a Frenchmans Guy mare.
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| I used to market an Impressive bred paint stud he was HYPP negative for three generations and people still made a big deal about it all the time. It was frustrating lol obviously he can't pass on a disease he doesn't carry even if one of his ancestors did lol but people just don't understand genetics. They hear Impressive bred horses carry this and that's all they hear.
Also many many people say they avoid based on past experience with awful horses that went back to Impressive. I have also heard lots of stories about super awesome ones but any time it's a well known discussed bloodline that a lot of people hate I just tend to steer clear. The horse is less marketable, potential foals if you go that direction are less marketable etc. I don't buy my horses with the plan to sell but I do my best to make sure if life happens they are marketable. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | !st, there is a marketability issue with having a horse that is Impressive bred due to the HYPP, umless you are in the pleasuure realm. 2nd...There is no middle ground on the Impressive bred horses when it comes to personality. You either love them or you won't touch them. LOADS of folks say they are rank, ornery, mean etc ....I can say I have seen all these in the Impressive bred mares. Never in a gelding and its a bloodline that is big in our area. You do not want to pick a fight with one....they never forget. If you do like them then they are some of the hardest working smartest and most devoted horses you will encounter and most of them have looks to spare.
Personally, I pick and choose...but again, I live in an area where they are loved because they are sooooo many pleasure riders.
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Location: Moving soon..... | My BF has an Impressive bred gelding. He is 18 now. He has not been run to death and is byfar the luckiest gelding I have ever seen. He gets a check any time she takes him anywhere. In one month he made her $1500. He is one of a kind and I really do not think anyone else could put up with him. I was blessed in getting to run him back in 2006 at the NBHA State Finals here in Texas. He just makes the same run every time. |
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Location: East Texas | Had one that was a little contrary. We turned her out for two years and never rode her......she came back perfect. Just sold her a couple of months ago as a heel horse and she has been cashing checks and winning saddles. |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | Sigh - this subject has come up SO often and I am almost tired of trying to elevate these horses to where they usually deserve to be. The horse in my avatar was Impressive and I have owned and/or worked with many. Yes, the HYPP stigma is real but can be controlled and doesn't affect EVERY Impressive bred horse. Yes, that stigma alone, without education is a marketing nightmare. I lived in the Arabian horse industry for most of my equestrian life and equate the Impressives to Arabians: very sensitive, very quick. Need to be disciplined FAIRLY if necessary...choose your battles wisely and always control your temper when working with one. I have found them to be the most "wanting to please" horses I have ever been around. Obviously athletes...who doesn't like the Three Bars breeding behind them? Capable of huge things in the right hands. Yeah, they can be quirky..but handled intelligently they can be awesome equine partners. Plus, they're usually exceptionally attractive. Good luck with yours - glad you like him!
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I've had a grandson for almost 17 years, now (he's 20), and he's still running strong - he just won a check at Youth Rodeo when the girl hadn't rode him but once in almost a year. I am still running him, myself, as well, but not as much while starting young ones.
His Sire is Impressive Bar Leo - he looks just like him and I wish I could find another. He is N/N and I didn't know much about the stigma before we bought him - the first time I went to look at him he put his muzzle on my shoulder and he was so pretty, despite finding out that he was still on the waiting list for trainer and not even broke when the ad said he was in training, I knew I wouldn't be happy with any other horse. Probably his only "quirk" is that he is better around people than other horses....and I've since learned that is most likely because he seems to want to "guard" his rider/master -- out in the pasture, he's just like a regular horse.
You can do anything on him - he listens to you. He's a 16 hand baby, but very athletic. He will be extremely hard to replace.
This is him last August at 19.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have had a few Impressive bred horses back 15, 18 years ago and loved them, they were very classy looking and smart, would love to have another one. |
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Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | txbredbr - 2016-04-01 3:07 PM I've had a grandson for almost 17 years, now (he's 20), and he's still running strong - he just won a check at Youth Rodeo when the girl hadn't rode him but once in almost a year. I am still running him, myself, as well, but not as much while starting young ones.
His Sire is Impressive Bar Leo - he looks just like him and I wish I could find another. He is N/N and I didn't know much about the stigma before we bought him - the first time I went to look at him he put his muzzle on my shoulder and he was so pretty, despite finding out that he was still on the waiting list for trainer and not even broke when the ad said he was in training, I knew I wouldn't be happy with any other horse. Probably his only "quirk" is that he is better around people than other horses....and I've since learned that is most likely because he seems to want to "guard" his rider/master -- out in the pasture, he's just like a regular horse.
You can do anything on him - he listens to you. He's a 16 hand baby, but very athletic. He will be extremely hard to replace.
This is him last August at 19.
He looks so much like the one I was talking about, except the one I'm talking about is a mare. Maybe just a coincedence, same head especially (almost the same star). Just reminds me so much of Lily, she doesn't have white back socks, but wow. Maybe they just have "that" look. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Love mine, he is 19 this year. Hunt seat bred by a tb stud. N/N.
16 hh.
he can be a bit hot but I get along with him. I have done almost everything with mine from jumping to barrels. He is solid 3D at national level. Not bad for a big pleasure bred goober lol. Loves to work and run. He doesn't have the quickness in turns to be a 1d horse, but I've never been outrun in a flat race. :) I've had him since he was a 5 yo. He was decently broke when I got him, but bucking his owner off. He just needed a job. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | People avoid them as prospects because they don't understand genetics and are not as well suited as the popular lines.
They are also are harder to sell. I'm not worried about it since mine will never go anywhere. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barrelracr131 - 2016-04-02 5:40 AM People avoid them as prospects because they don't understand genetics and are not as well suited as the popular lines.
They are also are harder to sell. I'm not worried about it since mine will never go anywhere.
It isn't always about the HYPP. I have ridden several from different crosses to Impressive and 99% of them had no work ethic. |
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Location: Midwest | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-04-02 3:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2016-04-02 5:40 AM People avoid them as prospects because they don't understand genetics and are not as well suited as the popular lines.
They are also are harder to sell. I'm not worried about it since mine will never go anywhere. It isn't always about the HYPP. I have ridden several from different crosses to Impressive and 99% of them had no work ethic.
They don't get along with everyone for sure. I will not argue with that. I think certain crosses probably accentuate it. My friend had an impressive/conclusive halter gelding that was pretty difficult to break. Another friend had an hypp horse that was a decent trail horse but quite lazy.
Mine is hot but honest. Same pattern every time and doesn't quit me. But impressive is further back, and he's 19 this year, so take that for what you will.
by now, impressive is pretty far back on most pedigrees. I'd look at what is closer up in terms of temperament. I'm not a fan of most halter bred horses.
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | There are a few bloodlines with no work ethic, they come out in every bloodline, some more than others. For me you can't give me a mr san peppy or a murrtheblurr. However there are hundreds of people who love those two lines. Most of the issue with Impressive is as stated before =  Lack of understanding regarding genetics. I hear it all the time from people things like "triple positive for HYPP" which isn't possible, and double positive means dead...... One has to remember when people are breding halter horses they aren't breeding for Mind, they are breeding for looks only. Impressive died in 1995 he's been dead 21 years, if the individual is N/N and has a good mind and is athletic then he's no different then any other. But it goes back to education, and that ignorance that produces statements like "triple positive for HYPP" So then Impressive bred horses have a bad reputation before you even get to the halter horse breeders not caring if the horse had a brain or not. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I showed “back in the day” when sons & daughters of Impressive flooded the market as “halter horses”. You knew not to buy them when, out of hundreds and hundreds for sale, you would see one or two ads that they were advertised as the “the” Impressive that “rides”. The farther away you get and the breeding of Impressive is diluted, the better the horse will be.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I loved the 2 Impressive bred horses that I had and they were very close to Impressive both grandgets to him, I was talked out of both of them by a roper, I still kick myself for letting them go. They were really nice horses. Like I said if I ever came across another and liked it I would buy it in a heartbeat, and its got to be a gelding. I dont get along to well with mares like some dont get along to well with a certain breed. I do have mares but perfer geldings.  |
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| Impressive was a genic freak. He was bread to be a race horse but was not sound enough to get much of a record as a race horse. Because of his muscle mass and the fact that he could not remain sound when ridden his only avenue to success was in the halter pen. Because he would pass on his mass to his off spring every one that had a pretty mare with a lot of mass and a lot of money bread to him with little regard to if they would ride or stay sound. Most people did not care if they would ride because they would win in the halter pen. His weanlings would bring 50,000 back than. His offspring also had a rep for being mean sob's to be around. I remember showing at the Congress in 1985 and watching the halter classes better than 50% of the horses entered where son's and daughter's of Impressive and not a one of them would trot off sound IMO. Other than an a little shuffle step they called a trot they could not lope a step. I will not judge 3rd or 4th generation off spring because they are so diluted it would it would not be fair. However his own get while pretty could not get out of their own way. I say that because I have seen hundred's. Not a fan!!!! |
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