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Location: IN | Anyone here ever run a stud? Did you ever use any kind of scent mask so they wouldn't be bothered by mares? If so what was it? |
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| My rope horse is a stud and I dont use anything other than good training and a good mind to start with. If a horse needs to be drugged or covered in vicks, he belongs at home. |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | I agree, if they don't have the mind and training to handle behaving then they aren't ready to leave home. If you can't get them to that point, they don't deserve to be a stud. (IMO)
My main mount for 8 years was a stud. He knew the rules and rarely tested them. I can't tell you how many people I had come up to me to verify that he was indeed toting a full package.
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| My stud was fine, it's my mares that act like dingbats. LOL |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2016-04-13 4:23 PM
My stud was fine, it's my mares that act like dingbats. LOL
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| A friend of mine raced a stud for 5 months before I even realized it was a stud horse. haha He was such a well minded boy and never so much as looked at the mares in the warm up pen or while tied to the trailer. I agree with others, if they have to be drugged, they aren't ready to be in public. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I hauled a stud, 2 mares and a gelding for years. I never used anything for the stud except a good foundation and training. |
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Location: Texas | Oh where do I even start |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Light coat of Vicks around the nostrils. |
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| My trainer's stud rode home next to my mare who was in heat. A four hour trip. No problems. Robyn Herring broke down and a nice team roper loaded up her horses to get her home. Five horses in a four horse trailer. One was Firewaterontherocks. This is the norm for stallion behavior not the exception. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2016-04-13 2:59 PM My rope horse is a stud and I dont use anything other than good training and a good mind to start with. If a horse needs to be drugged or covered in vicks, he belongs at home.
that's been our rule...and generally gelded. If I can't take them to town to show off, they don't need to be around. |
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Location: Texas | It just depends on the stud. Some are good and some are bad. Some great producing stallions aren't Angels. You just manage them. You have to discipline them but pick and chose your battles. Firewaterontherocks isn't the norm, he is very well behaved. |
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| I tend to haul a lot of studs myself. For a while, it was 3 studs and 1 mare in the trailer. For me, it is the foundation that is put on them at home. They are not isolated. They do everything I'd do on a gelding. Pony horses, being tied right next to other horses, and be in lots right next to each other. Personally, I think it makes them happier, and they learn how to get along. I try to be firm, consistent, and loving. I don't believe you have to be abusive, but the lines need to be obvious and non-negotiable. When I discipline, it is swift and painful, and then we go on like nothing happened. Not every stud will be good, but most will. You will have to go through it again a couple of times at the first shows, but usually if they are good at home, it carries over.
When breeding season rolls around, we have very definite procedures for breeding versus everyday work - and they quickly learn what is ok at different times. Usually I am also the one handling the stud during breeding, but occasionally have had to let someone else do the honors, if I have a timid one that says "hell no - I'm not supposed to do that around you" or one that does want to be really aggressive - and I really want to keep riding and breeding VERY separate.
I do keep Vicks in the trailer for the times I'm hauling in-mares that are in heat. I figure that is kinda cruel otherwise. |
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| I've hauled two in past years, Harvey Wallbanger came to me a squealing , walking on hind legs stud 4 yr old, I put him on regumate 5cc in night feed, traileze in his nose to haul him to futurities.
Reb Hot Fame, was totally different kind stud no squeal, vet would collect him, I load him with my mares next day . No problems traileze in his nose.
Problem with most studs, is they take the studs to the mares to breed, NO WAY should this be done if planning on using them for events or anything in my opinion. Mares should always be taken to stud, so when u do take stud out he doesn't have is in his mind going to mare to bred. Only my opinion.  |
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Location: IA | The only problem we ever had hauling our stud was other contestants/exhibitors. Ours had a great foundation, knew his manners and when to behave. But I have NEVER had so many people ride right up next to, up behind and practically on top of me as when I was riding the stud. It was like they WANTED to test him and see what he'd do--he never acted up, but it was just like "Come on, really?"
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Location: So. Cali. | I purchased an older stud end of last year who had been hauled when he was younger but it had been years. First time out I took him to a roping and asked my shoer to ride him around for me to be on the safe side, test the waters with a larger man on him first. He was nervous, but behaved himself. Since then I have hauled to a friends house, a few barrel races now, and even trail rode with him one on one with a mare. I tried the vicks the first race I took him to, I think it just irritated him more than anything. Haha. I'm grateful someone took the time to put the proper foundation/manners on him to remain a safe stud. |
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Location: N Texas | I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem.
I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just 
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| mollibtexan - 2016-04-13 10:03 PM It just depends on the stud. Some are good and some are bad. Some great producing stallions aren't Angels. You just manage them. You have to discipline them but pick and chose your battles. Firewaterontherocks isn't the norm, he is very well behaved.
This is the challenge I suppose. It's a money game for sure. Nobody wants to spend a great deal of money on a prospect and then training, just to have one that is hard to deal with when it comes time to season or show. I'm sure the best financial option at the time is to drug them. This to me feels like the dirty side of the sport. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ladyjockey - 2016-04-15 7:42 AM
I've hauled two in past years, Harvey Wallbanger came to me a squealing , walking on hind legs stud 4 yr old, I put him on regumate 5cc in night feed, traileze in his nose to haul him to futurities.
Reb Hot Fame, was totally different kind stud no squeal, vet would collect him, I load him with my mares next day . No problems traileze in his nose.
Problem with most studs, is they take the studs to the mares to breed, NO WAY should this be done if planning on using them for events or anything in my opinion. Mares should always be taken to stud, so when u do take stud out he doesn't have is in his mind going to mare to bred. Only my opinion.
Just a word of caution. I know people use it on stallions when they have a big career and lots of expectations by their owners. But regumate has now been proven to affect a stallions fertility and it's not short term. Some research by anyone thinking about using it and talking to someone that knows what the affects can be, would be in order if anyone wants to use that method of changing a stallions behavior. Just sayin'.
I don't know the answer to the OP's question, I have never hauled a stallion to competitions. But I have had several young ones and now a mature stallion. They were very different from each other. The one I raised that I did breed some mares with, I didn't have any geldings to turn him out with. I didn't have any common pastures I could turn him out with mares that would teach him manners. He was studdy acting from a young age. As are most of the colts I've raised. Usually when they are yearlings, the light comes on for them and they are studdy acting. It's nature and will happen.
The mature stallion I have now is a doll. Very well behaved and I do haul him to be collected and to the vet occasionally. He has excellent manners. I don't know what to attribute this to. I do know he was a pasture breeding stallion for 10 years. Maybe that's what helped. I do occasionally smack him on the shoulder if he starts pulling on me too hard.
I now have a yearling colt who is starting to wake up. He is very respectful to me when I handle him unlike the other colts I've had. I have never had to get after him for anything (yet). This is not what I've experience in the past. I think he's going to stay respectful. He might be left a colt for a while. If he stays nice, it will add to my theory below.
You would have to ask a REALLY experienced stallion handler if this is true. But my feeling is good well mannered stallion are born, not made. I'm sure you can get their attention with correct handling and discipline. But I don't think you can change their basic attitude/disposition. This is true with mares and geldings as well. You can discipline them to follow the rules. But you can't change their basic mind/disposition into what it's not. IMO
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| We don't haul our stud any differently than we do any of our mares or geldings as far as gimmicks. In the stock trailer if we are hauling a mixed load we always tie at least one gelding between a mare and the stud. If we aren't hauling geldings the stud rides in his own compartment. We will haul a mare next to him in the horse trailer with dividers.
I only tie him with geldings or by himself. I am not saying I can't tie him with mares. I am not so much worried about him as I am the hussy mares.
I try to park where people can not tie next to or behind him. Again, it's not him, it's people who don't have sense. He is an amazingly well behaved stud, most people don't even know he is a stud but I do not want to put him in a situation where he could be provoked to be "less than perfectly behaved".
In groups any horse, mare or gelding, can stand next to, in front of or behind him. He knows his boundaries. He is not allowed to rub noses with anyone or call out... EVER. If I find myself next to someone who allows their horse to be nosey I will move somewhere else, but this is the norm for me with any horse. I don't let any of my horses rub noses with strangers.
My rule of thumb is not to intentionally put him in situations that are unfavorable. He is still a stud, if he were a gelding I would trust him to the moon and back but because he is not a gelding I only 90% trust him and stay ever vigilant and use caution especially when I am not at home.
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