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Location: Where I am happiest | When you invest SO much time, training, and MONEY into raising these good horses and way to many race producers are to freaking LAZY to send race results in to Equistat!! | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
OT here but in my opinion signing up as Horse 1 and Horse 2 is utter laziness and should not be allowed. It gives to many avenues for cheating. It is not that hard for someone to at least write down a barn name if they don't know the horse's registered name. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
In that case, then the race producer needs to NOT accept the entry unless a name is listed. You want to run, then list a name!! | |
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| Bottom line is, anyone can lie on an entry form. If barn names are acceptable then I can enter the same horse with a dozen of different barn names at different races. An OPEN barrel race is an OPEN barrel race. SO I have no problems with horse 1,2,3 etc. | |
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Location: In my own little world | ThreeCorners - 2016-04-14 12:49 PM
3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
In that case, then the race producer needs to NOT accept the entry unless a name is listed. You want to run, then list a name!!
As a producer, if monitoring entries for Equistat info was the only thing I had to do, it would be an easy deal. I'm more concerned making sure I have a correctly signed liability release than any other paperwork issue, on top of keeping the event running smoothly and on schedule. Although i understand your frustration and what you are saying, my priority is taking care of what benefits the majority of the riders, at that time, rather than sorting through entry forms as they are filled out making sure there are registered names rather than barn names listed.
And I'm not about to tick off a producer no matter what the size of the jackpot because jackpots can be few and far between in many areas and a pain to produce when dealing with specific needs of every contestant. Unless I offer my assistance in helping them with something extra that i might like to have done, then I'm not going to make waves. I bet if you offered to handle the Equistats paperwork they sure might take you up on it. | |
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| I think the biggest problem is it takes extra time and Iv seen barrel race producers look like they are about to fall out at the end of a weekend, so I understand why they dont do it. I do understand that bigger barrel races should do this but they have to put on the entry form "horses registered name." I always put it on there anyways but some people dont. I know a girl that does the horse #1,2, and 3 because her dad thinks she needs to run the horses in the same order every time. So, even if she did put their names, that doesnt mean thats the horse shes actually running if they dont put her in the order she wants. I dont really agree with it and iv seen some people get disqualified for doing this so I think one day it will catch her. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ropenrun - 2016-04-14 4:26 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-04-14 12:49 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit. In that case, then the race producer needs to NOT accept the entry unless a name is listed. You want to run, then list a name!! As a producer, if monitoring entries for Equistat info was the only thing I had to do, it would be an easy deal. I'm more concerned making sure I have a correctly signed liability release than any other paperwork issue, on top of keeping the event running smoothly and on schedule. Although i understand your frustration and what you are saying, my priority is taking care of what benefits the majority of the riders, at that time, rather than sorting through entry forms as they are filled out making sure there are registered names rather than barn names listed. And I'm not about to tick off a producer no matter what the size of the jackpot because jackpots can be few and far between in many areas and a pain to produce when dealing with specific needs of every contestant. Unless I offer my assistance in helping them with something extra that i might like to have done, then I'm not going to make waves. I bet if you offered to handle the Equistats paperwork they sure might take you up on it.
Please......I have put on alot of races and used to put on a futurity and my daughter still puts on races. 2 saddle series a year. Been there done that and I KNOW for a fact it takes less then 3 minutes to send race results in to equistat!!!!! By being to freaking lazy to send in results, you are shorting the entire barrel horse undustry! All breeding sires, breeding dams, breeders, rider's, sales, and sponshorship moneys for races. I honestly dont care if someone wants to enter horse 1 or 2 or run 5 horses named Red. If they dont care then so be it, but MANY of us DO care and our industry cares. So please, for all barrel racers, breeders, stallion owners, mare owners, and those buying and selling at the higher end catalog sales, please send in the results!! | |
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| A few years ago I tried to get our local association to start submitting results to Equi-Stat. I offered to do all of the work because it wasn't going to be simple. Unfortunately I couldn't get the membership on board and gave up (all I was asking for was registered and barn name, and that they make sure to get that info from non-members who entered). I agree that it means something to the breeders and owners, but it seems like those who aren't involved in that aspect don't really see much point in it. It's definitely frustrating when you're trying to create a performance or produce record for your horses. | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2016-04-14 5:21 PM
ropenrun - 2016-04-14 4:26 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-04-14 12:49 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit. In that case, then the race producer needs to NOT accept the entry unless a name is listed. You want to run, then list a name!! As a producer, if monitoring entries for Equistat info was the only thing I had to do, it would be an easy deal. I'm more concerned making sure I have a correctly signed liability release than any other paperwork issue, on top of keeping the event running smoothly and on schedule. Although i understand your frustration and what you are saying, my priority is taking care of what benefits the majority of the riders, at that time, rather than sorting through entry forms as they are filled out making sure there are registered names rather than barn names listed. And I'm not about to tick off a producer no matter what the size of the jackpot because jackpots can be few and far between in many areas and a pain to produce when dealing with specific needs of every contestant. Unless I offer my assistance in helping them with something extra that i might like to have done, then I'm not going to make waves. I bet if you offered to handle the Equistats paperwork they sure might take you up on it.
It actually isn't as easy as sending into Equistat. There is a minimum percentage of the horses entered by their registered name before equistat will accept the results.
I believe it is 80 percent have to have registered names unless this has changed in the past 2 years | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
So name your next 2 horses Horse#1 and Horse #2... Think of the records they will have!! | |
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| komet. - 2016-04-14 10:48 PM
3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
So name your next 2 horses Horse#1 and Horse #2... Think of the records they will have!!
OMG - how wild is THAT to think about!  | |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-14 2:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
That way you can cheat and run which ever horse fits that draw the best 
Also some trainers/owners don't want that name listed incase they are fixing problems, don't want ppl knowing whose on their horse, etc....
Tricky Tricky slick ricky sometimes... | |
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Location: East Texas | komet. - 2016-04-14 10:48 PM
3canstorun - 2016-04-14 1:39 PM
What makes it hard on producers is when the people who come to their show - and use Horse #1, #2, etc as the name. I saw this on a big show a couple of weeks ago.
However, I blame not using the registered names ( or NR behind the name) on the people signing you in. As a producer, I would ask them to fill it in correctly so that it can be submitted.
But, you have to redo your entry form to say such, or people will pitch a fit.
So name your next 2 horses Horse#1 and Horse #2... Think of the records they will have!!
lol.....saw an article where a guy did this with his license plate. He had 'NO PLATE' as his plate #. No Plate is what the officers right down if they did not get a plate # with an accident or violation..... Did not work out as he planned. He got hundreds of tickets | |
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| I guess the whole point of equistat is to track earnings of people, horses, progeny, etc. Way back before everyone had cell phones and computers it would be hard to verify someone's claims on earnings of a horse etc. If your interested in buying a horse these days all you gave to do is a basic google search of the horse's name and even barn name with rider combination and you can tell if someone is blowing smoke instantly. If your in the business of selling high quality/bred barrel horses, I really don't think you need equistat. If you want to sell a 100,000 horse, then it won't be a problem if they are truely a 100,000 horse. Just my opinion. I don't think we need some big data base anymore. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-15 10:15 AM
I guess the whole point of equistat is to track earnings of people, horses, progeny, etc. Way back before everyone had cell phones and computers it would be hard to verify someone's claims on earnings of a horse etc. If your interested in buying a horse these days all you gave to do is a basic google search of the horse's name and even barn name with rider combination and you can tell if someone is blowing smoke instantly. If your in the business of selling high quality/bred barrel horses, I really don't think you need equistat. If you want to sell a 100,000 horse, then it won't be a problem if they are truely a 100,000 horse. Just my opinion. I don't think we need some big data base anymore.
If you wanna export then yes you do | |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | I thought the barrel race had to have a certain amount of added money before Equistat would accept the results???? Like $5,000 added. Has this changed? | |
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Location: SE KS | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-15 9:15 AM
I guess the whole point of equistat is to track earnings of people, horses, progeny, etc. Way back before everyone had cell phones and computers it would be hard to verify someone's claims on earnings of a horse etc. If your interested in buying a horse these days all you gave to do is a basic google search of the horse's name and even barn name with rider combination and you can tell if someone is blowing smoke instantly. If your in the business of selling high quality/bred barrel horses, I really don't think you need equistat. If you want to sell a 100,000 horse, then it won't be a problem if they are truely a 100,000 horse. Just my opinion. I don't think we need some big data base anymore.
For those of us on the lower end of this spectrum, it would be nice to be able to check stats on horses we're interested in. | |
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| astreakinchic - 2016-04-15 9:19 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-15 10:15 AM
I guess the whole point of equistat is to track earnings of people, horses, progeny, etc. Way back before everyone had cell phones and computers it would be hard to verify someone's claims on earnings of a horse etc. If your interested in buying a horse these days all you gave to do is a basic google search of the horse's name and even barn name with rider combination and you can tell if someone is blowing smoke instantly. If your in the business of selling high quality/bred barrel horses, I really don't think you need equistat. If you want to sell a 100,000 horse, then it won't be a problem if they are truely a 100,000 horse. Just my opinion. I don't think we need some big data base anymore.
If you wanna export then yes you do
While I agree it is semi easy to find results of horses more so than it was several years ago, I think it is a valuable resource for breeders mostly. People want to know how much dash ta fame has produced and what kind of mare to breed to him. lol
All joking aside I really like the magic cross thing they do and it helps people know which sires are moving up the food chain.
eta, I read all the equistat stuff they put in the magazines for hours. My husband thinks I have been taken over by equistat demons I spend so much time studying bloodlines.
Edited by horsiace1025 2016-04-18 11:20 AM
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| horsiace1025 - 2016-04-18 12:18 PM
astreakinchic - 2016-04-15 9:19 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-15 10:15 AM
I guess the whole point of equistat is to track earnings of people, horses, progeny, etc. Way back before everyone had cell phones and computers it would be hard to verify someone's claims on earnings of a horse etc. If your interested in buying a horse these days all you gave to do is a basic google search of the horse's name and even barn name with rider combination and you can tell if someone is blowing smoke instantly. If your in the business of selling high quality/bred barrel horses, I really don't think you need equistat. If you want to sell a 100,000 horse, then it won't be a problem if they are truely a 100,000 horse. Just my opinion. I don't think we need some big data base anymore.
If you wanna export then yes you do
While I agree it is semi easy to find results of horses more so than it was several years ago, I think it is a valuable resource for breeders mostly. People want to know how much dash ta fame has produced and what kind of mare to breed to him. lol
All joking aside I really like the magic cross thing they do and it helps people know which sires are moving up the food chain.
eta, I read all the equistat stuff they put in the magazines for hours. My husband thinks I have been taken over by equistat demons I spend so much time studying bloodlines.
I too like to study the equistat data that is posted in barrel horse magazines. I find it very interesting and it would be much harder to research that stuff if it wasn't all in one place. | |
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