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| I didn't want to Hijack her post
but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare,
She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does
her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive.
going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that??
if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed?
some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this????
of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad!
I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
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Location: SW North Dakota | zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 1:23 PM I didn't want to Hijack her post but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare, She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive. going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that?? if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed? some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this???? of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad! I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
I had a talented mare who would buck occasionally, so I had her spayed. If she would have been a sweet horse, they could have done it out the back and it would have been about $500. As it was, she was NOT sweet, so they had to knock her out and take them out the flank. I think the recovery was about 8 weeks (would have been about 4 out the back). It cost me $1800.
She would still "show" estrus, even though she didn't actually ovulate (obviously). It didn't solve the bucking, either- but it would probably solve the problem you're having! | |
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| what do you mean by "sweet" just personality wise??
this mare is a suck and sweetheart around people, around horses shes a witch, she kickes and will bite any horse she comes in contact with.
she kicked my up and coming gelding in the hock and front leg, now he has 2 HUGE bone spurs, all the horses that are with her have bite marks, Im going to build her, her own pen I think asap.
I fear about hauling her places and if someone walks by her on a horse.. | |
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Location: SW North Dakota | zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 2:07 PM what do you mean by "sweet" just personality wise?? this mare is a suck and sweetheart around people, around horses shes a witch, she kickes and will bite any horse she comes in contact with. she kicked my up and coming gelding in the hock and front leg, now he has 2 HUGE bone spurs, all the horses that are with her have bite marks, Im going to build her, her own pen I think asap. I fear about hauling her places and if someone walks by her on a horse..
My mare was kind to neither man nor beast, and the worst monster at the vet you could ever imagine. She was just an outlaw. | |
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Location: Texas | zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 2:23 PM
I didn't want to Hijack her post
but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare,
She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does
her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive.
going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that??
if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed?
some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this????
of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad!
I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
If your vet is convinced she has a Granulosa Cell Tumor, which sounds like she may, I would really want to take the bad ovary out. They can get VERY big, like 40 pounds, if left in there.
You can do a colpotomy to get them out, or you can do a flank laparotomy, or you can lay them down if they are too big. I think you can even do flank laparoscopy if they are small enough. | |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-04-19 4:25 PM
zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 2:23 PM
I didn't want to Hijack her post
but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare,
She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does
her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive.
going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that??
if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed?
some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this????
of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad!
I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
If your vet is convinced she has a Granulosa Cell Tumor, which sounds like she may, I would really want to take the bad ovary out. They can get VERY big, like 40 pounds, if left in there.
You can do a colpotomy to get them out, or you can do a flank laparotomy, or you can lay them down if they are too big. I think you can even do flank laparoscopy if they are small enough.
ya my vet is almost certain that its a tumor, we just want to ultrasound one more time to make sure the size of the ovary hasn't shrunk.
my vet did mention it might be best to remove it vaginally rather than the flank for quicker recovery and less painful for her?
my mare isn't big, maybe a whopping 14.2
if it is a tumor I will be removing it asap..
but once we remove the tumor will I notice anything in her aggression? will I have to remove both? if I keep one can I still breed, or will the colt have a chance at getting a tumor?
sorry I've never had to deal with this so I have a million questions lol | |
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Location: Oklahoma | My favorite mare had one ovary the size of grapefruit. The vet asked if I was gonna breed her? I said if the other ovary good leave it. She has had two babies that I know of. I have her first one. She only bred every other year. Performance wise I cant tell you because it took so long to diagnosed that I think it took her heart out of the game :(( | |
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| Turnburnsis - 2016-04-20 9:12 AM
My favorite mare had one ovary the size of grapefruit. The vet asked if I was gonna breed her? I said if the other ovary good leave it. She has had two babies that I know of. I have her first one. She only bred every other year. Performance wise I cant tell you because it took so long to diagnosed that I think it took her heart out of the game :((
how old was your mare when you found it out?
my mare is 4, and I cant tell if its just her growing up? but last year she was a fire cracker, and this year shes very very doggy and hanging her head when tied or riding I have to "wake" her up.
So Im sure its super painful, but I hope im not taking the heart out of her either. | |
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Location: Texas | zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-20 8:53 AM
casualdust07 - 2016-04-19 4:25 PM
zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 2:23 PM
I didn't want to Hijack her post
but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare,
She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does
her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive.
going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that??
if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed?
some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this????
of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad!
I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
If your vet is convinced she has a Granulosa Cell Tumor, which sounds like she may, I would really want to take the bad ovary out. They can get VERY big, like 40 pounds, if left in there.
You can do a colpotomy to get them out, or you can do a flank laparotomy, or you can lay them down if they are too big. I think you can even do flank laparoscopy if they are small enough.
ya my vet is almost certain that its a tumor, we just want to ultrasound one more time to make sure the size of the ovary hasn't shrunk.
my vet did mention it might be best to remove it vaginally rather than the flank for quicker recovery and less painful for her?
my mare isn't big, maybe a whopping 14.2
if it is a tumor I will be removing it asap..
but once we remove the tumor will I notice anything in her aggression? will I have to remove both? if I keep one can I still breed, or will the colt have a chance at getting a tumor?
sorry I've never had to deal with this so I have a million questions lol
It's mostly vet preference. We don't do Colpotomies at TAMU but we will if someone asks for one. They are less expensive, but they heal from the inside out and don't suture it closed, so there is a bit of risk for infection. You won't see the incisions because its inside the vagina. They are also done standing, so that's good as far as recovery goes. There's no WRONG way to do it. The super big tumors have to be taken out like how they would do a colic surgery, ventral midline incision, open her up, and take it out that way. There are some basketball+ sized tumors in there sometimes!! | |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-04-20 12:06 PM
zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-20 8:53 AM
casualdust07 - 2016-04-19 4:25 PM
zansbeunogal_2268 - 2016-04-19 2:23 PM
I didn't want to Hijack her post
but I'm currently trying to find a solution for my mare,
She's 4 and on cruising a nice pattern! I've been working with my vet to find out what's wrong with my mare and why she's so aggressive around the other horses. we have ultra sounded and pulled blood and we believe that she has a tumor, blood work is saying she does
her left ovary was 50mm big! almost 3 times the size, and her testosterone levels are through the roof! makes sense why she's so aggressive.
going to look at her ovaries one more time just to make sure there is no size difference, if there is my vet wants to give her the human shot, cant remember what its called, has anyone noticed a difference on that??
if there is no size difference then we do know for sure that its a tumor, and will likely remove it vaginally. has anyone experienced this surgery? and how was the recovery? was there a difference in your mare afterwards? if the other ovary is healthy can she potentially breed?
some of my homeopathic friends want to treat the ovary with herbs but I don't think herbs can possibly fix this????
of course I would like to have a breeding sound mare in the end, but my main focus is making her a performance horse. I have never dealt with any of this and would like to hear some of your stories, good and bad!
I have been to two vets and the first one didn't even begin to thing of her reproductive system being an issue(dealt with her issue with him for over a year), the second vet found it my first visit.
If your vet is convinced she has a Granulosa Cell Tumor, which sounds like she may, I would really want to take the bad ovary out. They can get VERY big, like 40 pounds, if left in there.
You can do a colpotomy to get them out, or you can do a flank laparotomy, or you can lay them down if they are too big. I think you can even do flank laparoscopy if they are small enough.
ya my vet is almost certain that its a tumor, we just want to ultrasound one more time to make sure the size of the ovary hasn't shrunk.
my vet did mention it might be best to remove it vaginally rather than the flank for quicker recovery and less painful for her?
my mare isn't big, maybe a whopping 14.2
if it is a tumor I will be removing it asap..
but once we remove the tumor will I notice anything in her aggression? will I have to remove both? if I keep one can I still breed, or will the colt have a chance at getting a tumor?
sorry I've never had to deal with this so I have a million questions lol
It's mostly vet preference. We don't do Colpotomies at TAMU but we will if someone asks for one. They are less expensive, but they heal from the inside out and don't suture it closed, so there is a bit of risk for infection. You won't see the incisions because its inside the vagina. They are also done standing, so that's good as far as recovery goes. There's no WRONG way to do it. The super big tumors have to be taken out like how they would do a colic surgery, ventral midline incision, open her up, and take it out that way. There are some basketball+ sized tumors in there sometimes!!
oh wow!! I'm glad I caught this early in her age! obviously it would likely keep growing if I hadn't of caught it!?
I do believe we are going to do the Colpotomy surgery for her! This is what my vet is recommending.
with your experience did you notice a change in the mares attitude afterwards? the aggression was gone? I can deal with it if it isn't, just would be nice! | |
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Location: Texas | yes, they will keep growing if they aren't removed. And their behavior SHOULD change. There's never a guarantee, but it should. | |
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| Both threads have been interesting to read. I bought a mare in January '15 and she hauled like an angel...until April rolled around. She turned into a nightmare. She began kicking, wringing her tail, peeing all over and bucking/ rubbing her hips up onto the walls. She had ripped both her hips wide open and would continue to self-harm herself in this process. Her legs have become permanently swollen from all the scar tissue from kicking and I stopped hauling her all together. My first guess was it was related to her heat cycle...treated her for ulcers, too. Nothing helped. I gave her a few months off to heal and was desperate to get get her running again. The nonsense persisted and I thought I was just going to have to give up on her. I did the regumate deal, no change. Had her vetted for lameness etc. No luck in figuring this out. In August of last year I just decided to stack/ tie hay bails up in the trailer. It worked really well. I've had no issues with her since last summer. I keep hay bails in the JUST in case. She is on u7, a joint supplement and lixotinic. I'm doubtful that any of these things have been cause for her to stop acting up but she is working great, hauling calmly and I'm just praying it sticks. In the fall we had all her bloodwork done to check hormones....slightly low progesterone but would that cause all these behaviors? She isn't aggressive towards other horses but she will herd my other mare around the pasture almost like she is a stallion. I've since separated them...I've only ever had mares but none compare to this one! She sure is special. | |
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