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| I have never used, or needed to use, Lasix. I know millions who have and always crossed my fingers. LOL We are going to try it on one of my horses who is somewhat exibiting symptoms of bleeding when he runs. Never a cough, never has bled out ( Which most don't I understand that). Just once in a while during a run ( About every 4-5th run) something will catch him off guard and he tries to run through the bridle and not want to rate and turn. The other times he is push style come a rolling over and under and he inhales all 3 barrels to win the barrel race. He never breathes heavy after a run etc. My vet thinks " Maybe" he could be bleeding and I don't know it. So she wants me to try lasix for the next 4-5 barrel races to see if the pattern stops. We have not scoped because it was always to late after one of his episodes to do the scope. I offered to run him and haul him over to her clininc immediatly after one of his not so good runs just to see if he bled but she said she would rather I not let him bleed again if I don't have to. So what are some things I need to do? Electrolytes day before? Day after and immediatly after a run etc??? Ive heard it can make some horses feel yucky.. THis horse WAS off the track and I spoke to his trainer yesterday who said the 3x he was run in a race he was on Lasix ( They ALL are regardless) and that sometimes he was given it during longer harder workouts as preventative but he never actually bled with trainer either. THanks! |
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| merdth6 - 2016-04-25 8:56 AM
following...Have you tried Flair strips for the nose? Â Â
I did about a year ago when they were all the fad. I had no reason to, no allergies, coughing, my horse cooled out just fine. But i used them " Just because" and stopped long before these issues started. LOL But I certainly would use them again if needed. |
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| Just make sure you give a good daily electrolyte. Then boost with a paste or top dress electrolyte after you run and start offering your horse water again. If you don't your horse may get washed out. It does take a few days for them to totally recover from lasix because it continues to deplete calcium and potassium.
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-04-25 9:43 AM
 Just make sure you give a good daily electolyte. Then boost with a paste or top dress electrolyte after you run and start offering your horse water again. If you don't your horse may get washed out. It does take a few days for them to totally recover from lasix because it continues to deplete calcuim and phosphorous.
Thanks so much! THats kind of what I was predicting. I asked my vet, who used to be a track vet, and all she would tell me is " We never did anything special at the track after a race, just gave them water and put them back in their stall. Well, that's a bit different situation than being at a hot barrel race all day tied to a trailer etc. I do have an electrolyte top dress they absolutely LOVE and I only use it when weather changes or if I know its going to be a long hot day at the barrel race. Perfect! I will just plan on giving electrolytes day before and after they run with their water and couple days after that even. Thanks! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | How much is your vet recommending you give? |
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| total performance - 2016-04-25 12:00 PM
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I only gave it to one gelding and he had an awful side effect from it. Thank goodness I decided to test it out at home first. I was instructed to give 3mL one hour before he run. That poor gelding pee'd all over himself. He could not stop peeing. He would stand there and it would just drizzle out. Even on the move he was sprinkling the arena dirt. This went on for hours after the first dose and the poor guy didn't seem like he could get enough water, it was running out as fast as it was going in.
We played around with it enough that we found we could give .5mL without any unwanted drizzling but it was not enough to stop the bleeding. I eventually sold him to a trail riding home. |
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| total performance - 2016-04-25 10:00 AM
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STILL WAITING on that exact answer myself. Since he has no real symptoms or history we are going with the lowest possible dose and see if that works. She mentioned 4cc/4 hours out but that was an " Off the top of my head" comment and she said she would call me today with her recommendations. the 4cc/4 hours is for race horses at the track. SHe did not think that was probably needed for a barrel horse as thorobreds race at full speed over a mile+ so the stress is much greater. I am thinking 3cc/IV/2 hours out. |
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| cyount2009 - 2016-04-25 10:13 AM
total performance - 2016-04-25 12:00 PM
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I only gave it to one gelding and he had an awful side effect from it. Thank goodness I decided to test it out at home first. I was instructed to give 3mL one hour before he run. That poor gelding pee'd all over himself. He could not stop peeing. He would stand there and it would just drizzle out. Even on the move he was sprinkling the arena dirt. This went on for hours after the first dose and the poor guy didn't seem like he could get enough water, it was running out as fast as it was going in.
We played around with it enough that we found we could give .5mL without any unwanted drizzling but it was not enough to stop the bleeding. I eventually sold him to a trail riding home.
I have not heard of that specifically but friends have told me that horses who really seem to react to it you can give in the muscle instead and it doesn't hit them quite as hard. |
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Location: So. Cali. | I ran one mare who I purchased as a known bleeder that was receiving 5cc's before her runs. Electrolytes after and a daily supplement can help. I fed Vitamin K/Hes supplement from Big D, inexpensive, and I slowly worked her down to 3cc while on the daily supplement and keeping her in great shape with no issues.
I had another mare who bled out at home after one of her best runs (off the track mare). I tried Lasix on her and she had a similar reaction as mentioned by an above poster, drizzling urine. We tried it twice with her and she just seemed uncomfortable on it, as if she couldn't fully pass everything (urine) as she was trying to. I ended up continuing to race her, no issues, without lasix, just supplements and keeping her in great shape. She never exhibited symptoms of bleeding during a run nor did she ever bleed out after a run again. The day it happened it was a weird overcast muggy day, so could have been the issue?
Also, possibly contact an Oxy Gen dealer. I've heard good things about their supplements with bleeders, but pricey $$
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| Three*C*Champs - 2016-04-25 10:59 AM
I ran one mare who I purchased as a known bleeder that was receiving 5cc's before her runs. Electrolytes after and a daily supplement can help. I fed Vitamin K/Hes supplement from Big D, inexpensive, and I slowly worked her down to 3cc while on the daily supplement and keeping her in great shape with no issues.
I had another mare who bled out at home after one of her best runs (off the track mare). I tried Lasix on her and she had a similar reaction as mentioned by an above poster, drizzling urine. We tried it twice with her and she just seemed uncomfortable on it, as if she couldn't fully pass everything (urine) as she was trying to. I ended up continuing to race her, no issues, without lasix, just supplements and keeping her in great shape. She never exhibited symptoms of bleeding during a run nor did she ever bleed out after a run again. The day it happened it was a weird overcast muggy day, so could have been the issue?
Also, possibly contact an Oxy Gen dealer. I've heard good things about their supplements with bleeders, but pricey $$
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I have an oxy dealer near me and yep, extremely expensive. As of now I only run this horse 1-2 x a month so I am hoping that if the lasix really levels his performance off then I will spend what I need to keeping him top of his game. I really don't like to use drugs if I don't have to. |
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| Nothing I can think of other than keep them on electrolytes a few days before and after. The first time you give it he might act agitated. I was slightly concerned at first when I first started giving it, but I think it is just attributed to them not knowing why they all the sudden feel the urge to constantly to pee. This only happened the first time or so that I gave it. |
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| epoh - 2016-04-25 11:35 AM
Nothing I can think of other than keep them on electrolytes a few days before and after. The first time you give it he might act agitated. I was slightly concerned at first when I first started giving it, but I think it is just attributed to them not knowing why they all the sudden feel the urge to constantly to pee. This only happened the first time or so that I gave it.
Awesome thanks and a good thing to look out for. I am hoping that since he has had it few times on the track maybe it won't be a total shocker.. lol |
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Three*C*Champs - 2016-04-25 10:59 AM
I ran one mare who I purchased as a known bleeder that was receiving 5cc's before her runs. Electrolytes after and a daily supplement can help. I fed Vitamin K/Hes supplement from Big D, inexpensive, and I slowly worked her down to 3cc while on the daily supplement and keeping her in great shape with no issues.
I had another mare who bled out at home after one of her best runs (off the track mare). I tried Lasix on her and she had a similar reaction as mentioned by an above poster, drizzling urine. We tried it twice with her and she just seemed uncomfortable on it, as if she couldn't fully pass everything (urine) as she was trying to. I ended up continuing to race her, no issues, without lasix, just supplements and keeping her in great shape. She never exhibited symptoms of bleeding during a run nor did she ever bleed out after a run again. The day it happened it was a weird overcast muggy day, so could have been the issue?
Also, possibly contact an Oxy Gen dealer. I've heard good things about their supplements with bleeders, but pricey $$
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I have an oxy dealer near me and yep, extremely expensive. As of now I only run this horse 1-2 x a month so I am hoping that if the lasix really levels his performance off then I will spend what I need to keeping him top of his game. I really don't like to use drugs if I don't have to.
I have a moderate bleeder. She is not a true bleeder, but bleeds due to some restrictive airway issues. This is a sure enough, 1D anywhere you go sort of horse. She runs on 4cc's 2 hours out I.V. I also keep her on Bleeder Stop from Oxy-Gen and run her on Race X pre race. The mare handles Lasix well and I always give electrolytes, etc... I had another who was more like what you are describing and for him, I was able to come off of the Lasix altogether after implementing the Bleeder Stop and Race X regimen. He washed out horribly from Lasix and it would take days to get him back to feeling himself after a run. |
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| I have zero personal experience with Lasix but my hauling partner has an apendix futurity horse that bleeds. She hates giving it to this horse because she says it takes all the energy out of him and he begins to drop weight. :( |
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| I will also add that it definitely takes trial and error when it comes to dosing and the time out that you give it. I started giving it IM 4 hours out at first like my vet recommended. After a few times I noticed she wasn't firing as hard. I now give it IM 2.5 hours out. Ive given it IV a few times, and you get a faster effect but I am not sure how long it stays in their system. Also, look at guanabenz. My vet said to use it if you have one that gets excited. It relaxes them by lowering their bp, which in turn helps with bleeding. Ive tried it a few times but didn't know if I saw much of a difference. I started out with a super low dose at first, so I'm still in a trial and error process to find what works. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-25 11:59 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-04-25 9:43 AM Just make sure you give a good daily electolyte. Then boost with a paste or top dress electrolyte after you run and start offering your horse water again. If you don't your horse may get washed out. It does take a few days for them to totally recover from lasix because it continues to deplete calcuim and phosphorous. Thanks so much! THats kind of what I was predicting. I asked my vet, who used to be a track vet, and all she would tell me is " We never did anything special at the track after a race, just gave them water and put them back in their stall. Well, that's a bit different situation than being at a hot barrel race all day tied to a trailer etc. I do have an electrolyte top dress they absolutely LOVE and I only use it when weather changes or if I know its going to be a long hot day at the barrel race. Perfect! I will just plan on giving electrolytes day before and after they run with their water and couple days after that even. Thanks!
oops. I mean potassium.. I was in a hurry finishing up my lunch break and had a brain fart. |
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| I had a gelding that would do what was mentioned above. Drizzling urine. He would not fully empty his bladder. Talked to the vet and he said to lunge him about 30 min after I gave it to him. And it worked. He settled down and would urinate.
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| I have a mild bleeder. I had to play with the timing a little. I give 3 cc IM approximately 3 hrs out or IV 2 to 2.5 hours out. I never let it go 4 hrs bc he is completely depleted and lethargic if I do. Timing can be tricky bc sometimes these jackpots move so slow or fast. I keep paste electrolytes in my trailer to give after as well. I'm really picky about running him in the summer when it's super hot as well. |
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Location: IL | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-25 11:10 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-25 8:56 AM following...Have you tried Flair strips for the nose? I did about a year ago when they were all the fad. I had no reason to, no allergies, coughing, my horse cooled out just fine. But i used them " Just because" and stopped long before these issues started. LOL But I certainly would use them again if needed.
Why don't you try the nose flair first and see if that helps? I'm going to try that this year. |
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