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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hummm, is this legal, saw a ad for a filly,,,,, Random draw 100.00 a spot. Never seem a ad like this one befor is the Facebook stuff bleeding over here to our ads  , just wondering so please dont flame me for asking  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 5:43 PM Hummm, is this legal, saw a ad for a filly,,,,, Random draw 100.00 a spot. Never seem a ad like this one befor is the Facebook stuff bleeding over here to our ads , just wondering so please dont flame me for asking
I would PM the Forum Admin with the Ad number........ I would not think it was legal. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-04-30 5:48 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 5:43 PM Hummm, is this legal, saw a ad for a filly,,,,, Random draw 100.00 a spot. Never seem a ad like this one befor is the Facebook stuff bleeding over here to our ads , just wondering so please dont flame me for asking
And its so weird, they got all the peoples names that have bought a spot on this ad. |
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Location: OH. IO | You and I need facebook for dummies updates so we know whats going on in the real world lololol. |
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Location: Texas | I think it depends on the state (?) but it's not legal in Texas. I've seen a lot selling this way, and it's just a matter of time before the law puts a stop to it. |
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| So you pay $100 for a spot then have to wait until all 100 spots are filled. Hmmmm that might take awhile. In the meantime this two year old barrel horse is blown up or dies then what happens????? The US Postal Service monitors the internet for fraud regularly. This might be a case. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2016-04-30 6:17 PM You and I need facebook for dummies updates so we know whats going on in the real world lololol.
You are so right, I have no ideal whats happening in this world now adays , we need to get with the times  , lol
But I do get updated here on BHW  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2016-04-30 6:29 PM So you pay $100 for a spot then have to wait until all 100 spots are filled. Hmmmm that might take awhile. In the meantime this two year old barrel horse is blown up or dies then what happens????? The US Postal Service monitors the internet for fraud regularly. This might be a case.
I was wondering what is going to happen if this baby gets hurt are god forbid if she died, what going to happen then? I guess all the suckers will lose their money. |
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Location: Illinois | I've seen this before especially on fb! But instead of a horse, they had large flat screen tv's, laptops, etc.....
Very interesting....... Some people might but I'm not going to trust a random person I don't even know giving them a $100. Let alone if that's even legal? |
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| It's a raffle, plain and simple. Calling it a "random drawing" and thinking that saves it from being a raffle is like saying the white speck on chicken crap is high grade fertilizer. Everyone knows it's still chicken crap no matter how you word it. Raffles are illegal if individuals do them. They are only legal for non profit groups and these individuals doing them could get in big trouble for supporting unregulated gambling. |
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| I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal:
fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds.
How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The ads gone  , I just thought that was so wrong selling random spots why not just call it a raffle, because thats what it is. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 9:40 PM
SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds.
How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in.
They're getting away with it because:
A) They see well known trainers doing it and think "if so-n-so does it, then it must be okay since the have to know what they are doing".
B) They just don't care and the people bidding just don't care either. They'll do it until they get in trouble.
C) They simply haven't been caught yet.
As out of control as the horse people are getting with this new form of peddling horses, it's just a matter of time before the powers that be catch wind of it and start fining people. Or they will tighten the laws and make it more difficult to sell horses since the industry will be on their watch list. |
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | I also have been curious about this. We have a few "trainers" in our area doing this for a month's worth of training. I also saw a horse trailer advertised this way! Crazy! |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SKM - 2016-05-01 10:12 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 9:40 PM SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in. They're getting away with it because: A ) They see well known trainers doing it and think "if so-n-so does it, then it must be okay since the have to know what they are doing". B ) They just don't care and the people bidding just don't care either. They'll do it until they get in trouble. C ) They simply haven't been caught yet. As out of control as the horse people are getting with this new form of peddling horses, it's just a matter of time before the powers that be catch wind of it and start fining people. Or they will tighten the laws and make it more difficult to sell horses since the industry will be on their watch list.
This is the first time I have ever seen an ad like this, I didnt know well known trainers have been doing this type of raffle, so since the trainers are doing this why dont they get into trouble over this type of thing, or maybe they just have not got caught doing it yet? |
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Location: Illinois | Hopefully those people got their money back! |
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Location: run2win land | I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. |
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Location: CTX | swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me.
Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with.... |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....
The people who 'buy' a spot, don't pay for their spot until all spots are filled by people who have committed to a spot in the random draw. Once the spots are filled, the buy it now option is gone. the seller waits until all the spots are committed to, then collects the moeny form everybody via paypal and then they go to random.org and put in the number range and the computer generates a number. Whoever bought that number is the winner. At the time of committing to your spot, you can pick the number you want or tell the seller to give you any spot.
There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100. The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.
I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also. I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing. Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.
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