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Location: SE Louisiana | A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer.
The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?"
The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school??  |
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Location: SE Louisiana | fulltiltfilly - 2016-05-12 9:13 AM
You can't teach common sense!!
This is what one idiot came up with when trying to change it from a math exercise to a logic exercise.
Turns out, it's all in the wording of the question.
It is asking how many people were on the train to begin with.
So, it doesn't want to know how many people are now on the train after the 17 new people join, but how many of the original passengers are left.
Therefore, if there were 63 passengers in total now on the train – 17 of those passengers are new and the rest are original passengers.
Therefore, you have to do 63 – 17 = 46.
You just can't make this stuff up.... Someone needs to go back to English class if they think that was the question. It would have to ask .. How many 'of the' people were on the train to begin with?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | It is advanced for most 6-7 year olds. Logic centers in the brain don't really develop until age 8 (later for some kids). This is why some countries don't teach kids to read until they're 7-8.
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| I would say the answer was 65. 3rd grade has to explain the purpose of why an author wrote a certain passage. Like the previous math question, most of the the test questions are to get the kids to read and comprehend. Personally, my problem with the test is that some have incorrect answers on the key. If a student fails by one question and an in correct answer is the reason that the person missed the missed a question who would know? |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM
A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer.
The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?"
The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school??
X -19 +17= 63
X = 63 +19 -17
X = 65
I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Tbred - 2016-05-12 11:51 AM
I think the answer is it will take 5 hours to get to Chicago
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems.
so, you think a first-grader should be able to do algebra? I don't think so. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | CrossCreek - 2016-05-13 11:13 PM
Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems.
WTF is wrong with you people?!? 1+1=2 ... 2+2=4.... WTF is wrong with you people?!!? I did this in my head!!! 19 off... 17 on.... LESS 2!!! I bet if you were counting horses you would not whip out a pad and paper and apply algebra!!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | komet. - 2016-05-14 3:41 AM CrossCreek - 2016-05-13 11:13 PM Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems. WTF is wrong with you people?!? 1+1=2 ... 2+2=4.... WTF is wrong with you people?!!? I did this in my head!!! 19 off... 17 on.... LESS 2!!! I bet if you were counting horses you would not whip out a pad and paper and apply algebra!!
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | CrossCreek - 2016-05-13 11:13 PM
Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems.
It's addition and subtraction!
Anyway, shouldn't they be in third grade by 7? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nita - 2016-05-14 8:03 AM CrossCreek - 2016-05-13 11:13 PM Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems. It's addition and subtraction! Anyway, shouldn't they be in third grade by 7?
No, 7 year olds are in 1st or 2nd. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Three 4 Luck - 2016-05-14 8:05 AM
Nita - 2016-05-14 8:03 AM CrossCreek - 2016-05-13 11:13 PM Nita - 2016-05-13 3:19 AM komet. - 2016-05-11 7:02 PM A group of parents in the UK were outraged to discover a test question that was placed on a standardized test for kids ages 6 to 7. Even they were having trouble figuring out the answer. The question asks: "There were some people on a train. 19 people get off the train at the first stop. 17 people get on the train. Now there are 63 people on the train. How many people were on the train to begin with?" The exchange of passengers tells you there are two less people than you started out with. What the he|| happened to education since I went to school?? X -19 +17= 63 X = 63 +19 -17 X = 65 I didn't think it was such a bad test question. Especially for 6 or 7 year olds. Good intro to word problems. It's addition and subtraction! Anyway, shouldn't they be in third grade by 7?
My bad. I remembered starting school at 5. Guess that was kindergarten. |
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Location: Tennessee | I guess it depends on how you read the question. How many were on the train to begin with? To begin with when the train first left the station to pick up passengers there is no one on it or could be only 1 the engineer. Everyone knows about these trick questions!
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| otis - 2016-05-15 8:12 AM
I guess it depends on how you read the question. How many were on the train to begin with? To begin with when the train first left the station to pick up passengers there is no one on it or could be only 1 the engineer. Everyone knows about these trick questions!
On the test, there are multiple choice answers. There is an answer for any way that you could work the problem. If a person testing gets the answer 46, that answer is on the test. I am sure that 0 is an answer choice also. As I said before, the whole idea is how well you read and comprehend. The math in this problem is not hard.most people get lost when their is more than one step. |
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Location: Florida | The amount of pressure being put on younger and younger children is very bad. The average American student is stressed to the max. First graders are coming home with hours of homework all because society is stressing testing and testing and testing. The public school systems are afraid to not respond because some politician will say "See, public schools are failing, Charter schools can teach an 6 year old algebra!
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