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Location: Somewhere around here | I sometimes look through some FB groups of sale horse and I'm kinda shocked at how much some people want for there plain ol trail riding horses! I mean, I understand a well broke and nicely bred horse being worth more but I can't get over the fact that some people want $4,000+ for just a plain riding horse. |
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Location: Kentucky | I don't worry about it. It's their prerogative to price however they want. |
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| Folks can ask whatever they want - what they actually get is what someone's willing to pay and there's a fool born every minute.
the sub $5000 market is the hardest to pin point in my opinion because that's where you have the most buyers and sellers. |
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Location: CTX | Murphy - 2016-05-24 7:31 AM I don't worry about it. It's their prerogative to price however they want.
True, and also, you don't have to buy the horse. It's all what the seller and buyer thinks it is worth...
I remember buying my old mare at 18 and people told me I was crazy to pay the amount I did for her, but to me she was worth 2 times the amount because she taught me a lot and took care of me.
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Location: Arkansas | Good, broke and safe horses are getting harder to come by. The market has come up over the last year or two. There are lots of people out there willing to pay decent money for a broke horse that they feel safe on. |
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Location: West Texas | A nice bred, broke correctly horse is worth over 4000. Each one of them probably has at least that put into them and are selling at a loss, if in the business of raising them. The real cost of a horse is feed and maintenance, which you will run up to that number, pretty quick. So, people get in their 50k truck which cost more to feed/maintain, whose value drops like a rock, then turn around and complain about a 5k horse.
I have little sympathy for people that complain about horse prices. I have a simple answer. Get in the business of raising, training, or trading horses and you will change your mind immediately.... |
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Location: IL | I totally agree with the OP. Some horses are worth it and some people jump on the bandwagon thinking they have a horse, so it should be worth the same. People can price them whatever they want, but I mostly see the prices drop a lot when they don't sell. |
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| gypsy1997 - 2016-05-24 7:58 AM Good, broke and safe horses are getting harder to come by. The market has come up over the last year or two. There are lots of people out there willing to pay decent money for a broke horse that they feel safe on.
This^^. I bought a new barrel horse a few months ago, 5 year old that is sweet, hunts the barrel, been running about a year, same run every time. I paid a lot more for him then similar horses advertised for sale, then I spent another 2k sending to a trainer to fix some holes in his training. I always felt he was priced high, bought from a friend who is a teacher, husband a fireman-great people, I was glad to help them make a little bit of money-paid what they were asking. Now that I have him back and have made a few runs I think he is worth every penny, I just love him. |
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Location: Kansas | The horse market is poop now days, they might be priced at $4,000....but doesn't mean they will sell for that unfortunately. A good broke horse is worth quite a bit in my opinion. But people price their horses, for what they think they are worth.
However, I do see green broke (had a gal send a video of a horse that was "dead" broke, and the mare wouldn't move out at a walk when asked LMFAO and she wanted $2,500 for her) listed for over $2,500 and some don't have papers LMFAO.
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Boot Detective
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| IMO a majority of the horses for sale these days have super inflated prices....reason they are not selling. People are asking 2D prices for a 5D or crippled up horse hoping they can get enough money to go buy a good one. Just because it's 1/2 brother won a race, doesn't mean the one advertised will. I have looked at quite a few horses for sale the past 6 months. It seems no matter what level a barrel horse is, what they have done or NOT done, they want at least $20,000 for them. A big part of them are for sale because the are NOT winning a dime. I know many people don't care if they win $ or not, they just want to go have fun but to me, those are not $20,000 horses. I have been thinking there should be a formula to apply to a horse to come up with a fair price with variables in the equation to account for age, top bloodlines, how much they have won in their life, how much they have won their last 10 races. (still working on that equation LOL). Sadly not one horse I have vetted out (to buy) has vetted out. I'm not talking needing routine maintenance injections. I'm talking LAME horses. |
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Location: Arizona | Solid broke, gentle geldings are hot ticket items right now. You've got a couple generations that seem to be buying trail horses; my generation (I was born in 1984, so older millenial) and my mom's generation (born 1956, Baby Boomer). I grew up in a fairly rural, agricultural community and almost everyone I went to school with had horses at home. Most went off to college, got married, bought their first homes, and had kids, but left horses behind. Now those that have achieved some financial security are starting to get back into horses again. And they are shopping for good, gentle trail horses that are also safe for their kids to ride. Then there's my mom's generation who are at or nearing retirement age (whatever that means, ha). They may have left horses behind for their careers, or for financial reasons, or perhaps just always dreamed of owning a horse. Now they are getting back into horses (or first time owners) and guess what? They are also looking for good, gentle trail horses. None of these horses need to be "finished" for a job; just quiet, gentle, broke, and flashy is a plus. Geldings are preferred. This market is strong anywhere from $4-8k. |
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Brains Behind the Operation...
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Location: Arizona | I came across this article in Spin to Win a few months ago regarding rope horses, I think a lot of the info could easily be applied to current barrel horse prices. http://spintowinrodeo.com/article/bull-market-rise-rope-horse-price... (I'm not sure if I can make the link live from my phone) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | No, I really dont think so. Just depends on what the horse is worth to you as a buyer and what you are looking for. Just do your homework befor you buy. If the horse is what they say and will take care of the rider then they are worth what being asked. |
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| This isn't a horse but I thought it was funny. Someone had a saddle pad with stirrups for $150. Actually, it was a bareback pad that sells for $50 in any catalog. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Didn't read all the responses, but any horse that is sound, sane, and BROKE BROKE BROKE is worth at least 4000 and upwards. Do you realize how much work it takes to get one that is BROKE. Now that being said, just because they are advertised as broke, doesn't always mean they are.
I had a local person beg me to buy a streaking six colt at 5 years old. They were just getting into horses again, and I was teaching their two daughters to ride. He was the only horse I could use to teach with because he is so broke and quiet (wasn't started on barrels yet). He wasn't for sale. So I priced him high, over $5000. At first they wanted him. Then their friends told them that was way too much to pay, so they got wishy washy, and I declined to sell him.
Fast forward a year....they come back, with regrets. Saying they wished they had just bought him and that they now understood why I priced him where I did. They ended up buying two horses for much less and were having all sorts of trouble.
The good news is, the problems they were having were 80 percent human error, and I was able to get them on the right track with both horses. They actually are really nice horses, but without help it would have been a disaster for them. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I just took a HUGE loss on a gelding that is as broke as they come and he went to the perfect home. A good correctly broke horse is well worth 5k+ even in a horrible market. |
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| I just drove the entire state of AZ looking for that well broke-bred-gentle gelding. Spent at least 300 in gas, about the same for food for the entire family, and then for the horse. I kept complaining on why is this so hard, it used to be easy... I'm glad to know horses are making a comeback. For awhile there it seemed like this too was going to go the way of the wind. |
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Location: south central usa | location has to be factored in as well...I have a 9yo decently papered mare that has been used at playdays but is more broke than anything and we moved on to more patterned/seasoned horses (owned her since she was one). she'd make a good head horse and an awesome trail horse. although she is not for sale, there is no way that i'd expect to get over $2000-2500 for her as she is and would price her accordingly.
$4-5k for a broke horse with no real job seems a little extreme to this southerner adjacent to the MS river. I guess I could see horses bringing that in TX/OK or in the mid-west as they would be used to day work on ranches |
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| Ive seen a few horses on FB pages over priced. For example: 8 year Non-registered mare hasn't been ridden in a year and bucks, the owner is asking $4k. That horse is still on the market. Its hard to come across a nice broke horse. I remember about 15 years ago, you could go out to a ranch and pick up a 5-10 yr old gelding, super broke for about $1,500-2,000..... I miss those days. :) I think if you have ridden a BROKE horse, its hard to lower your standards, so you will pay a pretty penny for one. |
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 Did I miss the party?
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| I can see $4k for a well broke, sound, riding horse of good age. It's the ones who ask $35-40k for a 2D/3D horse they enter under a barn name so there's no proof of where it really places.
Having said that, I also know you can't always go off a "win" record for value because some people aren't always a match for the horse they're trying to sell. And, it very well MAY be capable of being worth more than they are able to show it for.
Barrel horse pricing is always going to be subject to too many variables, opinions, and bottom line, what someone is willing to pay to own the horse.
Edited by barrelracinbroke 2016-05-24 12:55 PM
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