|
|
 Expert
Posts: 1631
   
Location: Somewhere around here | To be honest, they aren't my favorite thing. I'd rather have one that was built more uphill BUT.....What are your opinions of barrel horses being downhill after they are done growing? |
|
| |
|
 Georgia Peach
Posts: 8338
 
Location: Georgia |
I have a mare that is slightly downhill. She has a funny feel to her but she is also short and compact. So a little weird all around. But I do notice it...more so when im trail riding because I constantly have to keep my weight rocked back. Luckily she is easy to saddle fit so I dont have that issue. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1631
Location: Somewhere around here | Bump? |
|
| |
|
| Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ...
I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ...
For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol
|
|
| |
|
 I Don't Brag
Posts: 6960
| I would have never picked her, but it goes to show, ya, you never know.
I was given a 19 year old mare a couple of years ago and she is VERY downhill. When I first get on her it feels like we are going down a steep hill, and that is WITH the better saddle fit and old fashioned built up pad I now have her in. To top it off, she is very front endy in her turns, hitting and dropping her front end, then pivoting around the barrel with force. It took me a whole summer and many saddle changes before I was not doing a Stroud Layout around the first barrel, damaging several ligaments in my left hip socket, before I got things figured out. I don't know HOW I never yard darted!
But it was all worth it. She is honest, gritty and pretty awesome on the racetrack and hard panned we see so often around here. After sinking 9 years in to an expensive horse I thought would be "the one", and only getting 2 half summers out of due to illnesses and lameness, my aging, downhill, free horse never took me to the Finals in our Regional Assn for the first time in almost 10 years.
I would have never picked her out, and would have lost out on this gritty, fun, pain in the butt mare that now has a forever home.
|
|
| |
|
| rodeoveteran - 2016-05-29 1:19 PM
I would have never picked her, but it goes to show, ya, you never know.
I was given a 19 year old mare a couple of years ago and she is VERY downhill. When I first get on her it feels like we are going down a steep hill, and that is WITH the better saddle fit and old fashioned built up pad I now have her in. To top it off, she is very front endy in her turns, hitting and dropping her front end, then pivoting around the barrel with force. It took me a whole summer and many saddle changes before I was not doing a Stroud Layout around the first barrel, damaging several ligaments in my left hip socket, before I got things figured out. I don't know HOW I never yard darted!
But it was all worth it. She is honest, gritty and pretty awesome on the racetrack and hard panned we see so often around here. After sinking 9 years in to an expensive horse I thought would be "the one", and only getting 2 half summers out of due to illnesses and lameness, my aging, downhill, free horse never took me to the Finals in our Regional Assn for the first time in almost 10 years.
I would have never picked her out, and would have lost out on this gritty, fun, pain in the butt mare that now has a forever home.
???? my aging, downhill, free horse............... never............ took me to the Finals in our Regional Assn for the first time in almost 10 years. ????
Now that she is 21-22 years old ... what are you going to buy to ride next year??
|
|
| |
|
 Shoot Yeah
Posts: 4273
Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | My mare is downhill by about an inch. I'm not sure where that registers on "a lot" or "a little", but it's noticeable when in the saddle. I find that I lean back more than I should, probably. It isn't something I notice when I compete on her so much, I guess. Mainly trail riding. Before I started her barefoot many years ago I'd have the farrier put shoes only on the fronts to help level her out some. That little bit sure seemed noticeable - but it could have just been a placebo. |
|
| |
|
 It's not my fault I'm perfect
Posts: 13739
Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | My mare is slightly downhill, I had a pad custom made for her with pressure reliefs over her shoulders to take the impact from the saddle jamming down onto her shoulders and very sligh lifts to level everything out. The pad also tapers as you go towards her butt.
Good luck! |
|
| |
|
Elite Veteran
Posts: 1165
Location: California | I need that pad for my mare! She is 14-14.1hr at the wither and 14.3 at the hip. Saddle fitting has been a nightmare, but she is gritty and will never run passed a barrel! She is also very front Endy naturally, it takes constant work to get her using herself correctly.
I also NEVER would have picked this mare out. We were at an auction in 2008 and I was bummed out because all the horses I was interested in went too high. Long story short a split second decision and not really knowing what I did I became the owner of a malnourished, never been touched, VERY pregnant mare whose right knee was swollen. If you would have told me then that this mare would become the grittier, hardest trying, and best horse I could have hoped to ever ride. I would have probably died laughing. It wasn't an easy road training her but now you couldn't pay me enough to even consider selling her. |
|
| |
|
Georgia Peach
Posts: 8338
Location: Georgia | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-29 1:43 AM Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ... I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ... For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol My mare is Doc O' Lena bred crossed with OTMR. There isnt a single person that has watched my mare run that will tell you she ISN'T fast and she CAN'T turn. You theory is invalid. I've seen plenty of downhill horses that will smoke a barrel pattern.
Wanted to add, a very famous barrel horse named "Hotshot" was downhill.
Edited by Runninbay 2016-05-31 7:17 PM
|
|
| |
|
| Runninbay - 2016-05-31 7:15 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-29 1:43 AM Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ... I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ... For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol My mare is Doc O' Lena bred crossed with OTMR. There isnt a single person that has watched my mare run that will tell you she ISN'T fast and she CAN'T turn. You theory is invalid. I've seen plenty of downhill horses that will smoke a barrel pattern.
Wanted to add, a very famous barrel horse named "Hotshot" was downhill.
Name something famous with pictures to back up your downhill stories ....
HOT SHOT .. NATE SHILABAR was not downhill ... he was as swaybacked as an upside down camel ... lol
I dislike incorrect statements .. like this guy ..
https://youtu.be/CJZyRXN9ufE
Nice story on HOT SHOT ...
http://www.westernhorseman.com/archive/the-arena/2041-arena-all-sta...
PEDIGREE .. NATE SHILABAR AKA HOT SHOT
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nate+shilabar
Two pictures of HOT SHOT naked ...
one with our BHW buddy .. Jimmy ..
 (HOT SHOT NATE SHILABAR 135.jpg)
 (HOT SHOT 65.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 HOT SHOT NATE SHILABAR 135.jpg (99KB - 194 downloads)
HOT SHOT 65.jpg (95KB - 194 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
 Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | I have a 19 year old mare that has a slight downhill slope to her. She's pretty bad@ss. Has always been awesome. Still running in the 2D.
Edited by Murphy 2016-05-31 8:35 PM
|
|
| |
|
Georgia Peach
Posts: 8338
Location: Georgia | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-31 9:12 PM Runninbay - 2016-05-31 7:15 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-29 1:43 AM Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ... I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ... For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol My mare is Doc O' Lena bred crossed with OTMR. There isnt a single person that has watched my mare run that will tell you she ISN'T fast and she CAN'T turn. You theory is invalid. I've seen plenty of downhill horses that will smoke a barrel pattern.
Wanted to add, a very famous barrel horse named "Hotshot" was downhill. Name something famous with pictures to back up your downhill stories .... HOT SHOT .. NATE SHILABAR was not downhill ... he was as swaybacked as an upside down camel ... lol I dislike incorrect statements .. like this guy .. https://youtu.be/CJZyRXN9ufE Nice story on HOT SHOT ... http://www.westernhorseman.com/archive/the-arena/2041-arena-all-sta... PEDIGREE .. NATE SHILABAR AKA HOT SHOT http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nate+shilabar Two pictures of HOT SHOT naked ... one with our BHW buddy .. Jimmy ..
Edited: Ok you know what, I'll play nice. It's not worth it.
Edited by Runninbay 2016-05-31 9:21 PM
|
|
| |
|
  Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I see quite a few racehorses that are built downhill in the front. Especially when they are young. Some never level up. It's certainly not exclusive to cutting horses. I can't really think of a good cowbred horse that is downhill. Hot Shot doesn't count. He was race bred on the bottom and nothing special on the top.
It isn't my preferred conformation. But I've seen it in some nice horses. I breed away from it, as I personally never liked riding a horse built that way and I think it makes it harder (not impossible) for a horse to get over their hocks in a turn. Plus it hurt my back. |
|
| |
|
It's not my fault I'm perfect
Posts: 13739
Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | This is my mare, and the pad she is wearing is the custom made one to level out the saddle and myself
 (Fancy1.JPG)
 (Fancy.JPG)
Attachments
----------------
Fancy1.JPG (92KB - 180 downloads)
Fancy.JPG (93KB - 193 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
 Peecans
| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-28 11:43 PM
Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ...
I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ...
For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol
What the heck is your issue with cutting breed horses? Every chance you get, regardless if it is whats asked in a post or not you have to say how bad they are.
Like really, race horses don't ever end up downhill ... Nope NEVER  |
|
| |
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 575
| della - 2016-06-01 12:34 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-28 11:43 PM
Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ...
I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ...
For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol
What the heck is your issue with cutting breed horses? Every chance you get, regardless if it is whats asked in a post or not you have to say how bad they are.
Like really, race horses don't ever end up downhill ... Nope NEVER
And not EVERY cutting bred horse ends up down hill either lol
And to address to the issue about nothing famous with cow lines ever making anything worth a darn.....
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/an+oakie+with+cash
ETA: misread, nothing famous being downhill and being worth a darn... but still. I think Louie would give anyone a little faith that cow lines in a barrel horse isn't an ALL bad idea. "High powered tricycle" or not, I'd certainly take him.
Edited by rpreast 2016-06-01 1:21 PM
 (LisaLouie (310x248) (250x200).jpg)
Attachments
----------------
LisaLouie (310x248) (250x200).jpg (96KB - 195 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
 Go For It!
Location: Texas |
My favorite horses are higher at the croup than the wither... Everyone I have ever had that was made that way was a winner and SUPER SMOOTH through their pattern. It's one of the first things I look for in a horse.
Everyone else should by the other kind, ;).
|
|
| |
|
 Fact Checker
Posts: 16575
Location: Displaced Iowegian | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-29 12:43 AM Don't buy or breed a horse with cutter bloodlines for a barrel horse ... downhill withers with butt up in the air and low tail set is their specialty bred characteristics to squat the rear end and sweep with the front end ... which gives them lateral movement too but no running speed .. totally different conformation than a speed event horse ... I consider downhill a bad conformation fault for long term soundness ... since a horse with a good conformation is uniform across his topline supports 60% of his own weight with the frontend and much more with a rider and even more when he is faulted by being downhill too ... For some reason people think crossing a Volkswagen with a corvette is going to get them a horse that rides like a high powered tricycle ... lol
Perhaps you would like to contact a few of these folks and let them know that they should not be using cutting bred horses for barrel/rodeo horses...................
Article by Tanya Randall Photo by Ty Stockton
 Sheena Robbins and Bar D Mr Dual Olena.
A glance at the leading sires of rodeo horses, as of September 22, you find Biebers Oakie, which crossed with a daughter of racehorse and National Finals Rodeo (NFR) sire Judge Cash, sired Lisa Lockhart’s An Oakie With Cash. A ranch and performance sire, Biebers Oakie is by a money-earning son of National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA) Derby Champion Doc’s Lynx, who is an Equi-Stat all-time leading cutting horse sire, and out of a daughter of NCHA Hall Of Fame sire Docs Oak.
Also near the top of the list with three rodeo horses is the all-around performance sire and cutter Especial, who was more running-bred than most people realize. He was an own son of the legendary Doc Bar, a race-bred, halter horse, who’s offspring preferred a game of cat-and-mouse over you-can’t-catch-me. His dam was a daughter of War Leo, who had NCHA earnings and a race record.
Especial is the sire of Linda Vick’s AR Will He Tell (out of cutting-bred mare), Jessica Routier’s College National Finals Rodeo Champion Especials Smoothie (out of a daughter of Smooth Herman, by Jet Smooth), and Heidi Phillips’ Bunt Line Special (out of a daughter of Peppy San Badger, an Equi-Stat all-time leading cutting horse sire.).
Like Biebers Oakie, Boon Freckles has the distinction of being an NFR sire through Bar D Mr Dual Olena, who carried Sheena Robbins to the NFR in 2009. Boon Freckles is by Mr Freckles Olena, a son of all around sire and cutting champion Colonel Freckles out of a daughter of legendary cutter and sire Doc O’Lena, and out of an own daughter of all-time leading cutting horse sire Boon Bar. On the bottom side, Bar D Mr Dual Olena is out of a granddaughter of all-time leading cutting horse sire Dual Pep.
Other notables among the top 100 sires thus far are Freckles Floyd, sire of Margaret Stephenson’s Little Tommy Floyd. Freckles Floyd has sired cutters with more than $675,000 in earnings. Elans Playboy, the 2000 AQHA World Champion in senior cutting, has total offspring earnings of $547,000 in reining, reined cow horse and cutting plus the barrel racing earnings of Kissmyskooter, owned by Rivon Nilson and ridden by Kelly Yates.
Perhaps the most “cowy” among rodeo’s elite is Diann Griffin’s Adobe Quixote Bar. Sired by Doc Quixote, a sire of cutters with nearly $10.5 million in earnings, Adobe Quixote Bar is out of Jae Bar Maise, by Doc’s Jack Sprat. Jae Bar Maise is a full sister to Jae Bar Fletch, who earned $422,935 as a cutter and sired 30 cutting money earners of more than $1 million. As a producer, Jae Bar Maise has offspring earnings of $583,894 including Adobe Quixote Bar’s barrel racing earnings.
Read more: http://www.barrelhorsenews.com/articles/rodeo/3553-a-cut-above.html#ixzz4AcVN2Cal
|
|
| |
|
 Take a Picture
Posts: 12841
| I don't think barrelhorseusa dislikes cutting horses. He does not like cutting horses crossed on running horse lines. Yes, once in a while, you get a great horse from this kind of cross but more often than not you get something with horrible conformation. The way I see it if you want to participate in speed events you probably need running blood. Go to the track, you don't see downhill horses often. They are not the horses winning. There are several running/ cutting crosses advertised on BHW right now. Their parts don't go together and never will.
As for HOTSHOT, I stood right next to him at Josey's. He was not downhill. He was also not without issues. As those girls grew, he was passed down to a smaller sister to cut down on weight because of his issues. |
|
| |
Folks on-line