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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Hello. I have a 10 year old mare that does not seem right. She is doing some strange things at my rate spot and not running consistent.. almost like butt swinging and not flattening out in between the barrels. I have a video of compiled runs to make it easier to see what I mean. The first two runs are from last year. They are her normal runs in the way she uses herself. The last 3 runs are runs over the last two months. I had her vetted twice already and I'm going to get a second opinion next week. She flexed sore in her left hock this spring before I started running so I got them injected. Her stifles flexed fine. I also had x rays taken of her hocks. Now I am out 6 weeks on her injections and she is still doing the same thing. Took her back to the vet and she flexed fine in hocks and stifles. I also have her in previcox over the weekends I run. She finished up a series of pentosan 3 weeks ago. Shes been treated for ulcers.... please watch the video and tell me what you see. Two eyes are better then one... https://youtu.be/4_JfNhuQ83Q |
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 Thick and Wavy
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Location: Nebraska | rear suspensory? |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM
rear suspensory?
ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Did they palpate her by any chance |
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Thick and Wavy
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Location: Nebraska | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 5:27 PM brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM rear suspensory? ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at
I had one that acted a little better 10 days post hock injection that went back to being off after 2 weeks. ultrasound showed mild thickening of the suspensory. She was never lame and never had any heat/swellling |
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I just read the headlines
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| brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:37 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 5:27 PM brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM rear suspensory? ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at
This was my experience with a suspensory injury, too. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-05-28 5:33 PM
Did they palpate her by any chance
her legs and back/ si area. All seems normal. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 5:27 PM brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM rear suspensory? ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at
Mine would not work his left the same as his right, never lame, no swelling. Took him to 3 very good vets, could not find anything. He finally came out of a run 3 legged lame, had torn his suspensory. Vet said that was probably his issue, had progressed until he tore it. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-05-28 7:49 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 5:27 PM brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM rear suspensory? ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at
Very scary! |
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The Advice Guru
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| Left hind, she is not sticking it into the ground and cross firing coming out of 2 and 3. And she isn't wanting to keep the left coming home either. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-29 5:25 PM
Bibliafarm - 2016-05-28 5:33 PM
Did they palpate her by any chance
her legs and back/ si area. All seems normal.
My mare that tore her suspensory never came up lame no heat nothing |
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Sock Snob
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| test for epm also if you cant find anything. |
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| Very off in the hind end. Did you show these videos to your vet? |
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| Very off in the hind end. First 2 videos she plants and snaps back hard. Last 2 she rounds them. The 3rd video you can REALLY tell on 1st barrel. On the last video, her back end is very scrambly/hoppy on 2nd...she took too many steps around it also. I want to think something going on in her hind end cuz she isn't planting or firing either.
But Don't just limit it to looking at the hind end. Check front also. I had 2 that I swore up and down it was hind end cuz we lost our snappy turns. Didn't even bother to check the front but both times it was knees. It can mimic hock symptoms.
When my mares knees are feeling good it's nice snappy turns, but when they aren't the barrels are rounded and slightly wider. I HIGHLY suggest getting the front end looked at.
Best advice: hind end looked at, blood test, epm test and front end looked at. It may seem like overkill and expensivr, but you need to cover all your bases!
Also-- take a slo mo video of her trotting on hard ground (cement or rock if she has shoes on) at home. Both directions. Watch the video for asymmetry in stride length and how her feet hit the ground. This helps a ton!
Edited by epoh 2016-05-30 11:49 AM
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 7:57 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-05-28 7:49 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-05-28 5:27 PM brlracerchick - 2016-05-28 5:19 PM rear suspensory? ok thanks! Her legs as of now are clean and tight but definitely something to look at Very scary!
Yes, did just about everything you posted, injected hocks, them stifles, one vet thought it was his shoulder, another saddle fit. This was over about a period of a year, only ran him after trying another "fix". |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Thank you everyone! I am Going tomorrow. I'm going to mention everything you all stated plus showing the videos. |
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| The first two videos she would leave the barrels in the wrong lead which is ok .. she has a good flying lead change .... and you would rate her out from the barrels which gave her time to do a flying lead change on both front and rear which kept her feet traveling in order around the barrel. You also rode double handed between barrels to square you and horse up before you rated her ..
The last two runs I think you were over riding her and your rate was very close to the barrels and too late for her to change leads in the rear which made it flop out wide and crossfire ... videos 3-4 were to bad to watch your hands to see what you were doing except the last race .. you had a death grip on the horn all the way to the 3rd barrel. Pay attention and see if you are trying to neck rein her around the barrels ... If outside rein is too tight instead of being loose you could be tilting her nose and helping to throw her rear end out as if you were doing a one rein stop ...
First barrel on 1-2 you did a better job of setting her up further from the 1st barrel ......... in the other 3 it appeared you were coming in really close and then trying to make your turn. Keep in mind that first barrel is 1 1/4 turns ... by setting up further out from the barrel you do the 1/4 turn and this makes 1st barrel a normal turn for your horse ...
She is a very nice horse with a lot of try ... in race horses they can develop muscle memory pain from hard exertion after a race and start hesitating and even refusing to run as hard. As you know no pain drugs during a race ... but to soothe a horse down after a race and the next day or two ... by giving them a little bute, time on the walker and turnout so they can walk away any stiffness while muscles repair themselves really does help with soreness and mild inflammation.. If you are leery of bute ... talk to vet on using aspirin which is still a standard with a lot of horsemen ... it is the only one that works on all three ... pain. swelling and inflammation ..
I couldn't see any lameness ... just the minor lack of finesse' I mentioned above ... it looks like you two are out of rhythm with each other ... some easy pasture riding might do you both some good on getting hooked back up ...
FYI: I rarely hear a barrel racer say they do anything for their horse after a hard run other than tie them to a trailer and strip the saddle off of them ..
Race horses are treated like royalty ... coming off a race or hard workout .. horse gets sprayed down and washed , legs mudded and wrapped if it has had soreness before, and walkered for 45 minutes ... this routine takes a good 2 hours.
Makes for a long day especially when your horse is in the last race at 10:30pm .. walk back to haul in barn takes 30 minutes ... then the 2 hours above.. load to go home at 1am and then have a 2-4 hour haul home ... and may walker horses again after getting home ... lol ... a lot of times I have gone for breakfast at local café as the sun is coming up and come back to barn to start the feeding, walker or works and stall cleaning etc etc ...
This scenario will either tuffen you up or kill you ... have a horse in a late night race per the above and another next day on a Sunday when races start at 12 noon or 1:00pm ... yep... your butt is dragging and you are leaving no tracks ... lol
(only horses racing that day are allowed and they are isolated in the haul in barns and they cannot go to the training barns for any reason..... security checks horses you have in trailer with the daily racing sheet as you come in the gate)
And you guys think you have it tuff if you have to stand in line at the sign up window ... lol ...
A lot of trainers haul in their horses like barrel racers do ... race track rules sez horse must be on premise 4 hours before race time and track vet is the only one that can give Lasix which is also a 4 hour before race time... so most get there 5-6 hours prior to their race time or before the first race begins for horses to settle in and rest after being hauled.
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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | ... replying so I'll get an email and remember to check back 
I'm curious to hear what they say. My not-really-a-colt-anymore is doing something similar - he's just very slightly off. |
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Location: West Texas | Rear high suspensory shows no outward sign of injury (heat, swelling, etc.) It is surrounded by a sheath that prevents this, but it also prevents it from healing easily as well. It could be this, but it could be many other things as well. Has he/she been adjusted by a chiropractor lately?
I often wonder how much lameness or decreased performance is related to nerve pain or impingement? It would hard for horses to tell us this, but just judging from human (my own) experience, it is a real issue and very hard to diagnose and treat sometimes, even with human verbalization and human medicine. What we ask of horses is pretty intense and then with saddle and human on the back, it make sense to me that various nerve pain presents itself from time to time. I am just rambling on a thought there. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | epoh - 2016-05-30 12:40 PM Very off in the hind end. First 2 videos she plants and snaps back hard. Last 2 she rounds them. The 3rd video you can REALLY tell on 1st barrel. On the last video, her back end is very scrambly/hoppy on 2nd...she took too many steps around it also. I want to think something going on in her hind end cuz she isn't planting or firing either. But Don't just limit it to looking at the hind end. Check front also. I had 2 that I swore up and down it was hind end cuz we lost our snappy turns. Didn't even bother to check the front but both times it was knees. It can mimic hock symptoms. When my mares knees are feeling good it's nice snappy turns, but when they aren't the barrels are rounded and slightly wider. I HIGHLY suggest getting the front end looked at. Best advice: hind end looked at, blood test, epm test and front end looked at. It may seem like overkill and expensivr, but you need to cover all your bases! Also-- take a slo mo video of her trotting on hard ground (cement or rock if she has shoes on) at home. Both directions. Watch the video for asymmetry in stride length and how her feet hit the ground. This helps a ton!
^^^THIS. I swore my one was out in his right hind (vet agreed) but ended up being left front shoulder. Sometimes it really can translate into the diagonal leg. If all comes clean on rear legs I'd take a better look at her front. Good luck as she's a nice, nice looking mare! |
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