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Location: Somewhere around here | As barrel racers, do you think that we tend to baby our horses in training (or just in general) compared to other western horse trainings; reining, cutting, ranch work, etcetera?
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | I think barrel racing, pole bending, gymkana events are mentally a lot tougher on the horses than the other events, therfore it is much easier to blow one up vs other events. I also think it's pretty physically demanding. Somedays the thought of blasting through the chute and running full speed at a barrel with either a banner on the wall, or maybe an annoucers stand, or a bunch of kids standing by the fence is terrifying to me. I wonder what our horses think. On top of that, there are usually tractors sitting in a corner and there are always people screaming as you turn each barrel "kick, whip, ride, look up, etc". Sometimes I wonder if the spectators yelling is even necessary. I know it's part of it and it makes it exciting but maybe it's not all necessary. I think the jockey already knows to sit up and ride :)
I've never seen a pleasure horse slowly jog into the arena filled with as many banners as barrel events do or have tractors sitting in the corner. I've also never seen a pleasure horse or reining horse fall, hard and flip like a pretzel while running full speed like the barrel horses do. in fact, the only time I've seen a pleasure horse fall is when they are in a versatitily event and they are doing the barrels/poles in the versatitily.
So yes, we might baby the barrel horses more than horses in other events, but I think due to the mental and physical aspects of the sport, it is justified.
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Location: where the wind blows | barlracr429 - 2016-06-05 10:56 AM I think barrel racing, pole bending, gymkana events are mentally a lot tougher on the horses than the other events, therfore it is much easier to blow one up vs other events. I also think it's pretty physically demanding. Somedays the thought of blasting through the chute and running full speed at a barrel with either a banner on the wall, or maybe an annoucers stand, or a bunch of kids standing by the fence is terrifying to me. I wonder what our horses think. On top of that, there are usually tractors sitting in a corner and there are always people screaming as you turn each barrel "kick, whip, ride, look up, etc". Sometimes I wonder if the spectators yelling is even necessary. I know it's part of it and it makes it exciting but maybe it's not all necessary. I think the jockey already knows to sit up and ride :)
I've never seen a pleasure horse slowly jog into the arena filled with as many banners as barrel events do or have tractors sitting in the corner. I've also never seen a pleasure horse or reining horse fall, hard and flip like a pretzel while running full speed like the barrel horses do. in fact, the only time I've seen a pleasure horse fall is when they are in a versatitily event and they are doing the barrels/poles in the versatitily.
So yes, we might baby the barrel horses more than horses in other events, but I think due to the mental and physical aspects of the sport, it is justified.
I agree with most of what you have said in regards to barrel horses expected to run in with banners, tractors etc. But being both a barrel racer and reiner I respectfully disagree on mentally tougher part. I know I am way tougher by far on my reiners and they have to be mentally way tougher to take the trainer and discpline required to be good. What I expect out of my reiner and what I will let slide on my barrel horses are huge. My reiner better not even think about taking a step without my cue first. I expect them to wait on my cue for pretty much everything when I'm on them. I expect to control every part of their body. That is mentally taxing on a horse. My barrel horses are allowed to think and act on their own with me their for guidance. So I think reining is actually one of the toughest events on horses mentally. I don't think reining is quite as tough on them physically as barrels are though. Don't get me wrong it's tough on their hocks, etc. doing sliding stops and spins. but most reining shows do provide good ground for us to compete on, which sadly isn't the case at a lot of rodeo's. I think if rodeo's in particular had better ground barrel horses wouldn't have as many of the soundness issues they do have. It's one reason the last few years I've limited my barrel racing to barrel racing events, where it seems most try to have better ground.
Travelling in the show circuit and the barrel circuit yes I do think barrel horses are babied a bit more, especially in their training. I see a lot of horses being allowed to be out of form and doing things that show horses wouldn't be allowed to do, from reining, to pleasure. Don't know about cutting as I don't travel in the world. This is just what I've observed travelling in both circles.
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Futurity trainers, if they aren't going to make a futurity horse, they cull them. They are also starting horses before bones are completely formed. The majority don't make it past the futurity year without maintance.
There are also people/trainers/etc that will give their horse any chemical under the sun to get the horse to the top without stopping to think what the long term consequences/effects will be on the horse.
Vets are client centered, not horse centered and are giving the horse a short term fix without actually investigating and diagnosing what is a really wrong with the horse.
Weekend warriors or hobby barrel racers want to make the horse feel good, and will try every suppliment on the market hoping for the miracle cure to make the horse sound, start turning again, sedated, and to look healthy. The majority of the supplements there is no scientific evidence behind them, also if dealing with herbs, and not knowing the interactions between the herbs, one can actually do more damage then good.
The products out there, yes there are some that are wonderful and improve the quality of the horses life.
Soft rides for hauling are awesome, and why we need these now and not 20 years ago, we are hauling farther, and now trailers have aluminum floors which vibrates, therefore the horses are put through excess stress, one vet has said that he injects more bursa sacs because of trailering vibrations now then 10 years ago. The wooden floors are much better for the horse, less vibration, and more give.
I could go on, but hopefully you get the point.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cecollins0811 - 2016-06-05 9:20 AM As barrel racers, do you think that we tend to baby our horses in training (or just in general) compared to other western horse trainings; reining, cutting, ranch work, etcetera?
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| ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM
Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page.
LOL ....... Someone stays up nights thinking up questions OR they are trying to get their post count up......hoping to get a name....... |
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~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page.
I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part. |
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Location: OH. IO | cheryl makofka - 2016-06-05 3:49 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 2:37 PM ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page. I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part.
and most of her threads have more than one page full of replies so apparently folks are enjoying responding and chatting.ya<ll need to get off your high horses.how many times have you all said...if you dont want to read it,dont click on it. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jake16 - 2016-06-05 5:28 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-06-05 3:49 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 2:37 PM ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page. I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part.
I was only repeating what SHE wrote awhile ago lamenting that she didn't have a "name" ..... and somebody telling her that you had to have 1000 posts.....so get off of your HIGH HORSE !!!! |
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cheryl makofka - 2016-06-05 3:49 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 2:37 PM ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page. I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part.
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Location: OH. IO | NJJ - 2016-06-05 6:31 PM jake16 - 2016-06-05 5:28 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-06-05 3:49 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 2:37 PM ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page. I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jake16 - 2016-06-05 5:39 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 6:31 PM jake16 - 2016-06-05 5:28 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-06-05 3:49 PM NJJ - 2016-06-05 2:37 PM ~BINGO~ - 2016-06-05 1:13 PM Annnnd now we're up to ten threads on the front page. I never counted posts, but the questions are creating discussion, no drama, and horse related, pretty good topics for the most part.
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Location: Somewhere around here | Lol wow ok, let me clarify a few things.
1. I'm not trying to get a name but you are correct about me commenting in another person's post about THEIR post count and that I didn't know that people were given names after they hit a particular count, just thought it was an interesting observation.
2. Like most women, I think...a lot. Questions pop into my head often and I write in a journal, so I write down the questions.
3. Lately I've felt BHW had been in a rut and needed some new fresh questions and topics, instead of the same ol "look at these bloodlines" or "tell me about this bit" threads.
Not saying there is anything wrong with these questions, but I bored lol. If you have any questions about me or my motives, please call out and talk about it. I'd not, who cares? It's someone on the internet that you'll most likely never ever see in your life.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cecollins0811 - 2016-06-05 6:12 PM Lol wow ok, let me clarify a few things. 1. I'm not trying to get a name but you are correct about me commenting in another person's post about THEIR post count and that I didn't know that people were given names after they hit a particular count, just thought it was an interesting observation.2. Like most women, I think...a lot. Questions pop into my head often and I write in a journal, so I write down the questions. 3. Lately I've felt BHW had been in a rut and needed some new fresh questions and topics, instead of the same ol "look at these bloodlines" or "tell me about this bit" threads. Not saying there is anything wrong with these questions, but I bored lol.If you have any questions about me or my motives, please call out and talk about it. I'd not, who cares? It's someone on the internet that you'll most likely never ever see in your life.
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