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Location: Texas! | Ok anyone have a horse do this? My gelding has always been a little touchy when you saddle him by I always assumed it was just something pinching him bc he would freeze up but as soon as you adjusted the saddle a little bit he was fine and walks off. Well recently it's gotten worse and we went to the vet took some rads and he had a couple spots in his back that were touching so we injected those places. Gave him some time off and rode him and he was still a little stiff at first but rode out fine like normal. We bought a CSI pad to see if that didn't help him out and I rode him in it and he was fine. I went to a barrel race last night saddled him and started tightening the cinch which I do slowly bc of the issue and he freezes again so I adjust and he does it again! So I smooched to him to move out of it and he flies back words throws himself to the ground violently gets up does it two more times lays out flat I try getting saddle undone but can't someone tries to come help me and he blows again finally steps on his rope and stops himself. We have an appointment back at the vet on Friday but any ideas? I'm wondering if it's not a sternum or whither a issue now?
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| Definitely could be, hope you get it figured out and also if your saddle fits him. Have you checked your saddle out to see if the tree is broken? Especially since he fell on it a couple of times |
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| I don't have any medical advice but maybe he's been hurting so much that he's associated riding with it and is just flipping out. Whatever it may be prayers you figure it out!! |
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| Ulcers can also cause horses to blow up when saddling.
I had one who became cold backed with a flex tree, I thought it fit her. I changed to a saddle (wooden tree) I knew didn't fit her, the cold backed went away. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would go over your saddle and make sure the tree is sound/not broken, no screws coming threw, check pad, cinch.
And I would have a good Chiro checking this horse out. |
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Location: Texas! | First vet to look at him was also a chiro he felt he was sore in his feet and his shoulders so adjusted them they were super sore. Second opinion we did the radiographs of his back and that's when we injected. Saddle pad is brand new and I did check the cinch but need to go over the saddle again last I checked it it was fine and he will go win the 1D and be fine one day but then the next he ran off with me and then back to win another jackpot and now this. |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | We had a 4YO do this years ago. It would scare the crap out of me! t was when you went to cinch him. He would explode/flip if you tightened too quickly or most of it at once. I never thought I tightened too quickly and always walked, then tightened again. However, this horse was crazy sensitive about cinching only. We had an older gentleman that saw this in race horses. He cinched him, the horse exploded and passed out. We had to cut the cinch. The old guy told us he saw it in race horses that a nerve would be over the muscle and not under the way it should be. He said it was pretty rare. Cinching quickly or all at once would pinch that nerve. Then, the horse also gets nervous about cinching and expecting it and then can freak out. I mean ours flipped a couple times and passed out. We went to cinching very loose, walked him and then tighten again...repeat. We took it slow at first, then he just stopped doing it. But we always tightened a little and then walked some after that with that horse...he never did it again. I know it sounds completely nuts...like a myth or an old wives tale, but it did work.
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Location: Hernando, Ms | Could be Ulcers. It's cheaper to treat for them than have your horse scoop. To check off your list of what it could be. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WYOracer - 2016-06-07 3:15 PM First vet to look at him was also a chiro he felt he was sore in his feet and his shoulders so adjusted them they were super sore. Second opinion we did the radiographs of his back and that's when we injected. Saddle pad is brand new and I did check the cinch but need to go over the saddle again last I checked it it was fine and he will go win the 1D and be fine one day but then the next he ran off with me and then back to win another jackpot and now this. Sounds like you have a mystery issue going on, check saddle and make sure no screws are backing out anywhere. What type of saddle and pad do you have on him? Sometimes if a pad is to stiff it can cause problems has happen to me. Do you know if you got a good saddle fit?
Maybe hes back being super sore again, since hes stiff when you first get on him.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gator Bug - 2016-06-07 3:17 PM We had a 4YO do this years ago. It was when you went to cinch him. He would explode if you tightened too quickly or most of it at once. We had an older gentleman that saw this in race horses. He cinched him, the horse exploded and passed out. We had to cut the cinch. The old guy told us he saw it in race horses that a nerve would be over the muscle and not under the way it should be. He said it was rare. Cinching quickly or all at once would pinch that nerve. Then, the horse also gets nervous about cinching and expecting it and then can freak out. I mean ours flipped a couple times and passed out. We went to cinching very loose, walked him and then tighten again...repeat. We took it slow at first, then he just stopped doing it. But we always tightened a little and then walked some after that with that horse...he never did it again. I know it sounds completely nuts...like a myth or an old wives tale, but it did work. That would something to look into too and like the other poster {Chaseingcans} said maybe just treat for ulcers also, it would not hurt.
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Location: Texas! | Saddle pad is brand new CSI second time riding in it but other pad causes him to do this too. Saddle is a Shiloh Jerri Mann and it seems to fit him good leaves a good sweat pattern and doesn't appear to be uneven when set on him bare. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WYOracer - 2016-06-07 3:27 PM Saddle pad is brand new CSI second time riding in it but other pad causes him to do this too. Saddle is a Shiloh Jerri Mann and it seems to fit him good leaves a good sweat pattern and doesn't appear to be uneven when set on him bare.
Sounds like you have covered all that you can. Like the others in the above post said, check for the issues that they were talking about the cinch and a nerve behind the elbow area. Good luck to you, hope that you get this figured out..  |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-07 3:26 PM Gator Bug - 2016-06-07 3:17 PM We had a 4YO do this years ago. It was when you went to cinch him. He would explode if you tightened too quickly or most of it at once. We had an older gentleman that saw this in race horses. He cinched him, the horse exploded and passed out. We had to cut the cinch. The old guy told us he saw it in race horses that a nerve would be over the muscle and not under the way it should be. He said it was rare. Cinching quickly or all at once would pinch that nerve. Then, the horse also gets nervous about cinching and expecting it and then can freak out. I mean ours flipped a couple times and passed out. We went to cinching very loose, walked him and then tighten again...repeat. We took it slow at first, then he just stopped doing it. But we always tightened a little and then walked some after that with that horse...he never did it again. I know it sounds completely nuts...like a myth or an old wives tale, but it did work. That would something to look into too and like the other poster {Chaseingcans} said maybe just treat for ulcers also, it would not hurt.
I have never had one do that before or after. It is very violent and crazy scary. I really freaked when he passed out. Like the old guy told us they stop breathing. That's why we had to cut the cinch that one time as this sucker did pass out and stopped breathing. It does get worse if you don't try to fix it, as I found out. It is a pretty rare condition. I found some about pinched nerves and cinching on Google, but there really isn't much about it. |
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| The one I had that did that went to a really good chiropractor. Some stuff popped and crunched audibly, he got a week off, and never flipped over or locked up again. |
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Location: So. California | WYOracer - 2016-06-07 1:15 PM First vet to look at him was also a chiro he felt he was sore in his feet and his shoulders so adjusted them they were super sore. Second opinion we did the radiographs of his back and that's when we injected. Saddle pad is brand new and I did check the cinch but need to go over the saddle again last I checked it it was fine and he will go win the 1D and be fine one day but then the next he ran off with me and then back to win another jackpot and now this.
Does he have kissing spine? How much time off did you give him? |
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Location: Willows, CA | Go on line and look at the video for checking ulcer pressure points. Since that costs nothing, I would start there. I was skeptical about that at first, but have found it to have some value as a first check. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I had one that did that exact behavior due to ulcers. |
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Location: Texas! | Anniemae - 2016-06-07 2:44 PM
WYOracer - 2016-06-07 1:15 PM First vet to look at him was also a chiro he felt he was sore in his feet and his shoulders so adjusted them they were super sore. Second opinion we did the radiographs of his back and that's when we injected. Saddle pad is brand new and I did check the cinch but need to go over the saddle again last I checked it it was fine and he will go win the 1D and be fine one day but then the next he ran off with me and then back to win another jackpot and now this.
Does he have kissing spine? How much time off did you give him?
Vet didn't feel he was bad enough to consider needing surgery felt the injections was all that was needed. He said give him a week with bute then back to work. |
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| He's cinchy. After you saddle him, put him in the round pen and make him lope him around for a little bit (without you on him). Cause he's probably going to act like that for a while until he gets over it, if he ever does. Just round pen him before you ride him so he can act silly and lope himself down a little until he gets over the cinch, and then get on him. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | Change saddles. Be first thing i would do. A tree out line not level can cause all kinds of troubles. You can pad that away,chiro and all those wont help if the saddle tree is not correct. Level. |
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